McCain: "Not Too Important" When U.S. Troops Leave Iraq

by: Brandon Friedman

Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 11:35:09 AM EDT


John McCain showed once again this morning that he doesn't get the big picture when it comes to the current conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

From NBC's Today Show:

MATT LAUER: A lot of people now say the surge is working.

JOHN McCAIN: Anyone who knows the facts on the ground say that.

LAUER: If it's working, senator, do you now have a better estimate of when American forces can come home from Iraq?

McCAIN: No, but that's not too important. What's important is the casualties in Iraq. Americans are in South Korea. Americans are in Japan. American troops are in Germany. That's all fine.

My first question is this: What do the troops in theater think of a statement like that?  What does the young sergeant on the 14th month of his third tour think when John McCain says it's "not too important" when we come home?  In fact, this kind of talk is devastating to the morale of the troops.  And this type of careless, flippant remark demonstrates unmistakably that  McCain clearly has no idea what it's like to serve on repeated deployments.   While he suffered much in his own war, he can neither empathize with, nor relate to today's troops in Iraq.

Second, it's evident that John McCain has no clue what Americans want: A CBS News poll last week showed that 80 percent of Americans disagree with John McCain's assertion that troops should remain in Iraq for as long as it takes.

Lastly, and most importantly, it's apparent that John McCain has no idea what's going on in Afghanistan and Pakistan--the two places that both General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker said represent a greater threat to America than Iraq.  If McCain had been paying attention, he would be aware that a recent RAND study showed that the situation on the Pakistani side of the border is dangerously unstable--and that we are at risk of losing the larger battle there.  Likewise, he would be aware that the Pentagon can't find enough troops to serve in Afghanistan--because they're all in Iraq:

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Pentagon is scrambling to find trainers to send to Afghanistan, but it will be difficult to do that before commanders reduce the number of U.S. troops in Iraq, the top military officer said Tuesday.

The quandary has left U.S. military leaders short in a region of the world where they believe the next terrorist attack against the United States will form. Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Tuesday that the mountainous border region between Afghanistan and Pakistan - where Osama bin Laden is still rumored to be hiding - is also where planning for the next attack is happening.

In his obsession over the fight to install an Iranian-backed government in Baghdad, John McCain has been consistently blind to the larger issues we face in terms of our own national security.  It's made him careless and it's made him sound stupid on a number of occasions.

This makes John McCain wholly unsuitable for the role of Commander-in-Chief.  He is unstable, unaware, and obviously has no sense of what it's like to be a soldier in today's military.  And frankly, with the incredible strain on our Armed Forces, I'm not convinced that McCain wouldn't try to bring back the draft--especially once someone clues him in to what's taking place in Afghanistan and Pakistan.  A draft would also be necessary for any incursion into Iran.

That said, I think the best way to handle McCain at this point is to box him in: Given his zeal for further war, there is one question some intrepid reporter must ask him: "Senator McCain, will you take the draft off the table?"

If he is unwilling to go that far, we'll know with some certainty where we stand at least.

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Nor (4.00 / 2)
McCain clearly has no idea what it's like to serve on repeated deployments.

On the ground in a Guerilla/Insurgent Conflict!!!!!!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson


McInsane (4.00 / 2)
Great Comments Brandon.  McInsane will really be hard on the troops if he's elected.  In that little brain, he already pictures himself as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces.
I think everyone knows the draft is not off of the table.

We're about to enter very troubled waters if he succeeds in pulling the wool over the country's eyes and gets elected.


I always love the way polls are framed (4.00 / 2)
A CBS News poll last week showed that 80 percent of Americans disagree with John McCain's assertion that troops should remain in Iraq for as long as it takes.

As long as it takes to what?  Create a stable Iraq that is an ally in the war on terror?  The Iraqi government has strong ties to Iran, and the greater majority of all Iraqi political parties refuse any diplomatic relations with Israel.  

As long as it takes to remove Saddaam?  To find the WMD's?  To catch Bin Laden?  As long as it takes to acheive "victory"?

"No U.S. soldier ever dies in vain because they're carrying out the missions of their commander in chief. And we honor all the service that they've provided." - Barack Obama


That was actually my wording, dude. (4.00 / 1)
I just looked at the data.

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"for as long as it takes" (4.00 / 3)
Perhaps these are your words, Brandon, but they echo McCain's.  He HAS used the word "victory" and accused Democrats of wanting to "surrender" - he truly doesn't understand that this isn't a 20th Century war.  With whom would we sign a peace treaty or to whom would we surrender?  He can't get our troops out as long as he thinks in these simplistic terms.  Somehow he must develop a much more sophisticated understanding of what our strategies against terrorists will have to look like.

Brandon, I heard you tonight on MSNBC, saying that despite his suffering as a POW, he doesn't get carte blanche.  Bless you for saying that!  More than 500 brutalized POWs made it back from Vietcong prison camps, and they're not all claiming to be the anointed Commander in Chief.

Now thousands of our troops have died and tens of thousands have been marked forever by the Iraq war.  They are 21st Century heroes and at least as knowledgeable as John McCain. When it comes to tribal militias, insurgencies and civil war, they know a great deal more.


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John McCain is clueless (4.00 / 2)
  when it comes to what military people are going through today. He is either ignorant of what is going on with service members and their families or he does not care. He has sold his soul to try to be president and this will haunt him for the rest of his life. I believe he thinks that this transaction will actually get him elected, but when it doesn't everything will come crashing down on him and America will watch as a once honorable man fades away in disgrace and regret.  Getting out of Iraq is "not too important" because John does not care about military people as much as an insane goal and belief that somehow we can remake Iraq in our own image.  

He (0.00 / 0)
Made through the Keating Five Banking scandal, as did the bushies, so he probably thinks a few years has changed him, NOT!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson

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Look at Chicago Democrats (0.00 / 0)
If you want real corrupt then look at the democrats in Chicago.  Right now even the governor is being investigated.  Lots of the people close to Obama are going to jail over bribery and back door deals.  Far worst things than what even the republicans are being accused of.

Chicago is a dictatorship under one party rule.


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Signs that you might be losing your mind (0.00 / 0)
(or just be on some SERIOUS recreational drugs)

Saying things like:

Chicago is a dictatorship under one party rule.


"No U.S. soldier ever dies in vain because they're carrying out the missions of their commander in chief. And we honor all the service that they've provided." - Barack Obama

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Chicago is a dictatorship under one party rule (0.00 / 0)
Try living in Chicago.  It is that bad.  Daley forces his will on everyone.  Total gun control as a means to keep the population controlable.  It is pure facism and is the future of the democrat party.

Read the Chicago Trib or listen to one of the AM stations.  Every politican in Illinois is under investigation.  Corruption is widespread and common.  Chicago building inspectors are going to federal prison for taking bribes.  Every project has a back door deal.  The governor (dem) was being bribed to give out government contracts.  

And I have not even dealt with the worst of it.


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What do you think of Jill Morgenthaler? (0.00 / 0)


"No U.S. soldier ever dies in vain because they're carrying out the missions of their commander in chief. And we honor all the service that they've provided." - Barack Obama

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you do realize your duplicity right? (0.00 / 0)
It is pure facism and is the future of the democrat party.

hmmm... if only we could have soldiers roam our "street to hunt down the anti war leftwingers and the anti government rightwingers." just like those damn the liberal nazi's.

I bet "they" hate us for our "freedom" too huh.


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If McCain wins this thing, (0.00 / 0)
...it can safely be asserted that we are all completely beyond the reach of hope.

And, I thought y'all might be interested in reading this brief statement on McCain's latest pronouncement:

http://biden.senate.gov/press/...


Agree (0.00 / 0)
I have such a sense of dread of this man's somehow stealing this election.  But no draft becaue then all the rich who support him have to worry about their kids serving.

I have to believe that something extraordinary is possible. (Mrs. John Nash)

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If McCain somehow "steals" this election... (0.00 / 0)
then that would mean that the outcome was way too close for comfort anyway and the electorate, generally speaking and present company and everyone at VetVoice excepted, is completely beyond hope and redemption...and, we're all doomed.

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If the election is stolen (0.00 / 0)
I agree with you, the only way that an election could be stolen is for it too be too close.  My guess is that it will go one way or the other, big.

The problem is that this is year is totally beyond prediction.  At best last year all I could say was that the democrats would take longer (I predicted that we would not know the nominee until late March or early April) but the republicans would beat them (that their nominee would be selected faster, I forgot how messed up the dems were).  What we are seeing now is the huge divisions within the dems.  The only way that the party has unity is via fear.  Basically we are heading towards a five party system, if we do not have a civil war first.

No one knows how this year will turn out.  My guess is that it will go right up to the wire.  Public opinion polls are not going to help, too many people lie to the poll takers.

Have fun, it is going to be a wild ride!

BTW, it might be better to have Obama.  McCain will roll over for the leftwingers.  If Obama gets elected then the Congress will go republican within two years, just like in 1994.


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I hope not, for the sake of veterans (0.00 / 0)
If Obama gets elected then the Congress will go republican within two years, just like in 1994.

That would be bad considering that republicans have a terrible record of not supporting the troops.  Just look at the Webb GI Bill- all 22 nay votes were republicans.  Hopefully, most (if not all) of our supported candidates (see right sidebar) will get elected and stay for years to come.

"No U.S. soldier ever dies in vain because they're carrying out the missions of their commander in chief. And we honor all the service that they've provided." - Barack Obama


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Webb's GI bill had faults (0.00 / 0)
Just because someone slaps the label of "GI Bill" does not mean that the bill is ok.  Webb's bill had all sorts of problems.  For one thing, most of it was pork that had nothing to do with vets.  I am getting tired of military budget bills being half pork.  It makes the military look like it is spending more than it really is.

And do not use veterans benefits as a means to just bribe us.  Treat us as warriors, not servants.


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Not just "rich" (0.00 / 0)
The draft protects the chickenhawks and they are of all socioeconomic backgrounds.


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This guy is just such a dick. (4.00 / 1)


This guy is just such a sick dick............. (0.00 / 0)
a real "Darth" trooper.

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No surprise here! (0.00 / 0)
I would forfeit my civil voting rights beforei would even listen to what Mccain says let alone vote for him!

Lets see...flip flop # ?????


Do not vote for anyone (0.00 / 0)
Basically I dislike everyone who ran this year.  Obama is a joke, Hillary is a pain in the ass.  None of the republicans were really worth the time.

And it seems that most Americans are also fed up with both parties.  The democrats, especially the progressives, treat us like children.  If you do not have a Masters then you are subhuman in their eyes.  Thus they are just as bad as the country club republicans.  Just look at the comments by both Obama and Hillary that were elitist with respect to the working class.  And too many rich guys have moved over to the dems, just look at George Soros.  So what is the difference between an elitist democrat and a country club republican?  NOTHING.


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Statements such as this... (0.00 / 0)
Statements made by McCain like this one are reason enough to demonstrate that he is unfit to be the next President of the United States.  NO McCain in '08.

Great job on KO tonight, Brandon! (4.00 / 1)
Thanks for speaking up so forcefully against McCain's delusions.

Just caught the end of your interview... (0.00 / 0)
Keep McSame ducking the incoming. With his temper he is sure to finally loose his Mr. Rogers Neighborhood demeanor in full public view.

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We need to be in for the long haul (0.00 / 0)
One of the reasons that Vietnam went on so long was one year tours.  What happens is that no one takes responsibility because they are not going to be there next year.  What happens next year will not be on their OER so screw it.

Do it like WW2, you go over until it is over.  If you want to come home, get the job done.  That means learning to deal with the local nationals.  It means solving the problems.  It means having generals who make decisions rather than being political correct and worrying about their next promotion.  It means that senior NCOs would put aside their garrison mentality and deal with the battlefield and soldiers.

Look at the 82nd Airborne.  It has all of the problems of the Naitonal Guard.  Old boy network, inbred, and a garrison mentality.  Can't get anything done.

The only reason that soldiers need to be home is to hunt down the anti war leftwingers and the anti government rightwingers.


fascism is awesome! Woohoo police state! (0.00 / 0)
The only reason that soldiers need to be home is to hunt down the anti war leftwingers and the anti government rightwingers.

Why do you hate America?


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No I just hate those who hate America (0.00 / 1)
Both the anti war leftwingers and the anti government rightwingers are trying to destroy this country.  They are our enemies as much as Radical Islam.

When I redeployed last December one thing that they ordered us to do was to avoid beating up anti war protestors.  I guess it has been a rather big problem.

Frankly I am surprised that someone has not shot some these demcorats like John Murtha....  There is that much hatred in the ranks for these folks...


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So do you think John Murtha (0.00 / 0)
needs to be shot?

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Just surprised (0.00 / 0)
No, but there are lots of military out there that hate his guts.

Frankly it does appear that the US is heading towards a civil war.  Radical Islam would support, much like the British supported the South in the 1860s, as would many in Europe.  Anything to weak us to the point that we would become several countries.  Mexico would love it as it would allow them to conquer most of the Southwest.

But given the divided nature of the US population, and there is no way that Obama would be able to kiss up to conservatives, we are going to have a civil war.  It would take about 10 years and have millions dead.  We are more divided now as a nation than we were in the 1860s!


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