Equipment or Troops? Pick One

by: Chris LeJeune

Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 12:25:25 PM EDT


I deployed to Iraq in 2003, with equipment that was older than my father.  We drove 1953 5-ton dump trucks like we were in NASCAR.  We tested the limits of our support equipment like never before.  We drove Humvees with no doors or roof on 30 hour convoy missions between Baghdad and Kuwait.  A year later, most of our gear was completely worn out.  Much of it was left behind for the unit that replaced us.  I remember thinking, "what are they going to do with it?"

Now the Army is starting to feel the pain and cost of equipment repair and replacement.  Unfortunately, they only see one way of paying for it all.

WASHINGTON - The Pentagon faces a more than $100 billion bill to repair and replace worn out or destroyed equipment, vehicles and weapons, officials and members of Congress say, but paying for it may endanger plans to boost the size of the military.

In other words, we either get troops or equipment.  We don't get both.  At a time when we are fighting a global war on terror on multiple fronts, with the bulk of our military tied up in Iraq, we are looking at possible troop cuts.

The military is scrambling to re-equip because the Pentagon failed to plan for the long and expensive war in Iraq, said Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., who chairs the House panel that oversees military spending.

That failure, Murtha said, makes the Pentagon's plan to add 92,000 new soldiers and Marines unrealistic. Although new troops would help reduce repeated, lengthy deployments, there are other more pressing demands, Murtha said.

So, how do we come up with $100 billion dollars for needed repairs?  We are faced with three choices.  One, we can scale down the size of our military in order to cover the needed repairs.  Two, we can keep the military at its current size, and have worn out equipment.  Or three, we borrow more money, and go further into debt to cover the costs.  None of these are good options, but they are the choices we have been given.

"It's going to come from personnel cuts," Murtha said. "That's where it's going to come from. They know it."
Pentagon leaders realize they face a choice between a larger military and improved equipment, said Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
"We must reset, reconstitute and revitalize our ground forces," Mullen told a Senate panel in May. However, the costs "will force us to a smaller military or force us away from any kind of modernization or programs that we need for the future."

For the Army's top brass, this is nothing new. General Casey was warning about this last Fall.

WASHINGTON - The Army's top officer, General George Casey, told Congress yesterday that his branch of the military has been stretched so thin by the war in Iraq that it can not adequately respond to another conflict - one of the strongest warnings yet from a military leader that repeated deployments to war zones in the Middle East have hamstrung the military's ability to deter future aggression.

To make matters worse, the actual cost of needed repairs remains an unknown because it is contingent upon our current strategy.  The Army wants $17 billion a year, for three years after the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan end.  So, if they need it for three years after the wars end, when is that?  At what point do we stop and realize that our continued presence in Iraq is breaking the very force that we depend upon to keep us safe?  In other words, the longer we keep all of our resources tied up in Iraq, the more vulnerable we become.  
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Not Good!!!! (0.00 / 0)
This just came in from McClatchy on the most recent bombing:

U.S. military among casualties in Iraq attack on tribal leaders

Bombers killed nearly 40 people in Iraq today, nearly half of them at a meeting of tribal sheikhs in Anbar province where the United States and tribal forces were thought largely to have defeated Sunni Muslim insurgents.

Details of the bombing were sketchy, but U.S. officials confirmed that American service members were among the casualties in the Anbar explosion.

The attack came just days before the United States was to turn Anbar security over to the Iraqis. That plan is now on hold, U.S. officials said.



'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson


Baghdad and Mosul, also...Mosul wasn't that just a place coming under (4.00 / 1)
[ Parent ]
Apparently (0.00 / 0)
It was, the report is sketchy, but it does say something about it being ready to turn over.

This is the third of this type, at meetings, in the last four days, and someone in this report, at the bottom says it's no indication of a lack of security?, Right!!!!!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson


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They've (0.00 / 0)
UpDated the title at the link for the report above at McClatchy:

New Title and Sad Indeed:

3 Marines among dead in attack on Iraqi tribal leaders

They just sent the update haven't read to see if the report changed much.

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson


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We should (4.00 / 1)
probably continue with the turnover. AQ knows us Americans very well and probably anticipates another knee jerk reaction:IE not handing over province for another 6 months. We should hand it over anyway.  

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Always have felt there is a strong bias (4.00 / 1)
within the military toward more troops, because more troops mean more command slots.

More Choices: (4.00 / 5)
4. Eliminate all mercenaries.

5. Account for funds

6. Eliminate no-bid buddy contractors, no more cost +'s

7. Eliminate all the "Star Wars Stuff'

8. Give Iraq to the Iraqis  


I'd love to see it happen, but not holding my breath (4.00 / 2)
4. Eliminate all mercenaries.
* But then we need even more troops to do the jobs the mercenaries were doing

5. Account for funds
* The day that our government starts doing this, I will personally go ice skating in hell.

6. Eliminate no-bid buddy contractors, no more cost +'s
* Definitely feasible, and an extremely good idea.  This would cut costs tremendously.  If you talk to Cheney about it, make sure he doesn't have his shotgun nearby.

7. Eliminate all the "Star Wars Stuff'
* Agreed.  The deadliest thing in the world is a trained soldier with a rifle.

8. Give Iraq to the Iraqis  
* My point exactly.

"No U.S. soldier ever dies in vain because they're carrying out the missions of their commander in chief. And we honor all the service that they've provided." - Barack Obama


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Good call (0.00 / 0)
on all accounts. I think we should let the ASC and the various militias handle AQI. Personally, the Tribal campaign of targeted assassination against AQI was quite effective. Well, except for the mercenaries. I dont like how we are using mercenaries now. However, a few hired Russian hitmen against AQ would not be so bad in my book. Then again, the Russian hitmen should probably be saved for Afghanistan/Pakistan, where they could be much, much more useful. We really dont need the Star Wars stuff either, due to the fact that most of the new technology is increasing smelling like pork.

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Strong National Defense (0.00 / 0)
That's the selling point of the repugs!

But the point is, the Over Bloated Defense Budgets, that Nobody Questions, and are Shocked when the Graft sneaks out, but Excepts that they are Being Protected!!

Soldiers and Equipment are at the Bottom of the list of Strong National Security!!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson


Even if we... (4.00 / 4)
...unassed Iraq tomorrow morning, it will take the best part of a decade - if not longer - to get the military back to pre-2003 readiness. And that's not even figuring in the Afghanistan conflict.

 The GOP under Bush will be remembered as the party that destroyed the military. I can only hope that the Dems will understand what is happening here and take proper action to fix it when Obama assumes office (we hope).  


Also, I hope that people take note of this happening now (4.00 / 1)
And what Adm Mullen and General Casey have been saying.  I worry that when the troop cuts do come, that everyone will just blame the democrats because they are the ones who happen to be in charge at the time.

"No U.S. soldier ever dies in vain because they're carrying out the missions of their commander in chief. And we honor all the service that they've provided." - Barack Obama

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On top of everything else the whole economy is circling (0.00 / 0)
the drain.

The thought of rebuilding infrastructure and really exploding the 'green collar' jobs would be a big step. This waiting til Jan. 09 while the Bushies-McCentury keep using duct tape and air freshen is really getting serious.


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I wouldn't (0.00 / 0)
put that much faith in the Dems. The American public did elect them into congress in 2006 to get us out of Iraq. 1 and 1/2 years in, we have more troops in Iraq now then we did when they took office. I think we need veteran candidates in office, regardless of partisan politics.  

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No doubt about vets in office... (0.00 / 0)
...I sure hope that Team Obama has a few hi-speed defense guys on board who are coming up with ideas. And I am also not really impressed with the action/lack of action of the Dem-controlled Congress. I really expected more from them.  

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I am hoping (0.00 / 0)
Webb for VP. Webb is technically a Dem, but he doesn't really fall with either group. He is just plain good. The man has much experience fixing our military and is a real warrior as well. Then, he will need a very good negotiating type. We hear from all sides negotiate, and we probably should. Problem is, the Arabs have been cleaning our clots at the negotiating tables over the years.  

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Let us not forget who was Serving as Chair of the Senate Armed (0.00 / 0)
Services Readiness SubCommittee during the time. Gawd, I remember all those Generals testifying about readiness and oops gotta go behind closed doors.

Thank you, Sen. John McCain.

Those BRAC hearings were a nightmare from hell.


One more option to consider... (0.00 / 0)
...when you say

We are faced with three choices.  One, we can scale down the size of our military in order to cover the needed repairs.  Two, we can keep the military at its current size, and have worn out equipment.  Or three, we borrow more money, and go further into debt to cover the costs.  None of these are good options, but they are the choices we have been given.

What about raising taxes? Or diverting money from screwy government programs like bailing out people who were dumb enough to buy homes they knew they couldn't afford.  This country needs to take the fact that we are at war much more seriously, and realize there are going to be sacrifices in the form of monetary costs.


I agree completely (0.00 / 0)
But I don't see our current administration, or McCain, raising taxes.  It goes against everything the republicans stand for.  I agree that more people need to wake up and realize we are at war, but the more difficult we make it on the average person, the more unpopular the war becomes.  That could have negative consequences for Afghanistan, Djibouti, etc.  Good to see you back settled in and blogging again!

"No U.S. soldier ever dies in vain because they're carrying out the missions of their commander in chief. And we honor all the service that they've provided." - Barack Obama

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Well (0.00 / 0)
from the looks of things, our economy is AQ's target. They haven't won very many traditional battles, they haven't held that much territory(knock on wood), and our casualty numbers, while tragic, are still not up to the levels of Vietnam yet. However, these two wars have been the most expensive in the history of the United States, and yes that is with all other war costs converted into 2007 dollar figures.

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So... (0.00 / 0)
Does anyone think this will cause the stop loss, IRR, retiree recall to come off the table? Or will this cause the Army to use these tactics for even longer now that they may not be able to "grow" the size of their force?

Suppose anyones' guess is as good as mine...

It's a shame we had to come to this point with military.

Hopefully someone can fix all this...

Jake


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