VoteVets Responds to Iraqi Calls for Timetable or Withdrawal

by: Brandon Friedman

Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:46:29 AM EDT


Iraq is sending clear signals this week that it's time for us to go:

On Monday, Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki suggested for the first time that a timetable be set for the departure of U.S. forces under the deal being negotiated, which he called a memorandum of understanding.

National Security Adviser Mowaffaq al-Rubaie appeared to go further on Tuesday.

"We can't have a memorandum of understanding with foreign forces unless it has dates and clear horizons determining the departure of foreign forces. We're unambiguously talking about their departure," he told reporters in Najaf after meeting Iraq's top Shi'ite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani.

The Iraqis understand that a clearly defined path to withdrawal for "foreign" forces is in everyone's best interest.  And given that they have a democratically-elected government, that our military is depleted, and that the situation in Afghanistan is worsening weekly, it's fairly obvious what needs to happen: We need to rapidly shift focus from one theater to the other.

Unfortunately, not everyone sees it that way.  The Bush administration is fully prepared to disregard the sovereign Iraqi government's request, John McCain will renege on his 2004 statement that should the Iraqis ask us to go, "we would have to leave," and even groups like the Republican-aligned Vets for Freedom are airing TV ads that urge Americans to "finish the job" in Iraq, even though they never define what that means.

These groups--the Bush administration, the McCain campaign, and Vets for Freedom--all have one thing in common: They want to stay in Iraq indefinitely, regardless of what the Iraqi government--or the American people--want.

Here is a two-part clip of Jon Soltz debating Pete Hegseth on Hardball yesterday:

Part 1:

Part 2:

VoteVets.org officially responded to this situation this morning by issuing the following statement:

IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN VETERANS CALL FOR VETS FOR FREEDOM
TO PULL NEW TELEVISION AD

WASHINGTON - Today, the largest group of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans, VoteVets.org, called on the pro-Bush/McCain group Vets for Freedom to stand in support of the Iraqi government, and not air advertisements planned for the coming months that call for an indefinite military presence in Iraq.

This week, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki called on the United States to leave Iraq, or set a firm timetable for redeployment from Iraq.

Jon Soltz, Iraq War Veteran and Chair of VoteVets.org said:

"It is wholly inappropriate for Vets for Freedom to be running an advertisement that advocates staying in Iraq indefinitely, given Prime Minister Maliki's request this week that the U.S. set a firm timetable to redeploy our troops.  Our nation must stand firm and in lockstep to support the sovereign democratic government of Iraq, and unfortunately an ad like this only tells the Iraqis that our nation is divided on whether to support Iraq's government.

"We agree with John McCain of 2004, who said that if the Iraqis asked us to leave or set a timetable to leave, we would do so.  It's unfortunate, and indeed dangerous, that Senator McCain has flip-flopped on that position, and disappointing that Vets for Freedom would support that flip-flop from a sensible policy with an ad like this.

"In the end, we fought in Operation Iraqi Freedom - emphasis on Freedom.  To advocate the overruling of Prime Minister Maliki's request would be to retreat from the very thing we said we were fighting for."

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Back the VoteVets for sure, but Vets for "Freedom" will have to wait (4.00 / 1)
for their money source for new talking points. Just sayin' they are surely following 'orders'.  

Very well spoken, Jon! (4.00 / 1)
Authoritative, calm, poised, to the point and, most importantly, no bullshit! Excellent! Really excellent!

History repeating itself (4.00 / 3)
Everytime I see something come out of Iraq it always reminds me of the British occupation of Iraq in the 1900s.  Right now, the Bush Administration is working another version of the old Anglo-Iraqi Treaty (circa 1930) that would form a "close alliance" between the two nations.  That treaty allowed the British free military movement across the country in addition to the use of air bases near Basra and other cities.  This is exactly what the Bush Administration wants from their own propped up Iraq Government.  However, it doesn't seem that the Iraqis are going to let the Bush Administration get as far as the British did.  If history is any judge, the United States could face the same result that the British had to endure if this keeps up.  Those that support this continued occupation would be wise to listen to Votevets.org.  

"Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home."

Marcus Tullius Cicero 106 BC-43 BC


Al-Maliki... (4.00 / 2)
....called on Bush to begin withdrawing while Gen. Petraeus was testifying before Congress back in early April.

 I wrote about it here:
http://www.vetvoice.com/showDi...

 President Bush fails to understand that his legacy, as it stands now, is one of bringing war to other parts of the world. If he wants to change that legacy, he must heed the wishes of the sovereign nation we occupy, and start being regarded as a bringer of peace after a long struggle.

 Then again, he doesn't listen to the U.S. Congress, so why the hell would he start listening to the Iraqi Parliament?

 I'm not holding my breath for US forces to leave anytime soon.

 While we're on this topic, now is the time to really start hammering away at the proposed SOFA with Iraq - one that guarantees American presence indefinitely and will tie Bush's successor's hands (Obama). This agreement is a recipe for (further) disaster, and I believe it's part of the GWB plan to use Iraq as a staging ground for Iran.

 And that, friends and neighbors, is my $.02 for the day.  


I have been trying to post as much as I can (4.00 / 1)
on the SOFA as it has developed.  So far, there have only been two major concessions on our side.  For one, US military commanders will have to seek permission from the Iraqi government for specific operations - no free hand.  Two, American contractors will be held subject to Iraqi law - no immunity.  However, ISCI and the majority of the Iraqi government have been backing off of the SOFA in favor of a shorter (1 year) agreement.  The number one thing that most of the Iraqis don't like is the permanent bases.  They feel it is a threat to their sovereignty.

"No U.S. soldier ever dies in vain because they're carrying out the missions of their commander in chief. And we honor all the service that they've provided." - Barack Obama

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Possible outcomes. (4.00 / 2)

What does everyone think might be some possible outcomes of us not listening.

I fear that it will be taken as a sign that the US doesnt care about the Iraqi gov't and Iraqi quasi-forces that are half-ass loyal to us right now will turn on us and cause mass chaos.

 


There are two main groups within the Iraqi government (4.00 / 1)
that have a strong anti-American history, but have been playing nice with us so far.  I think we will see Dawa (Maliki's party) and ISCI ( the second largest party within  the UIA that runs the military and police) take a hard turn against us.  Election time is coming up for them too, and they want to garner support among the people by showing resistance against the coalition.

"No U.S. soldier ever dies in vain because they're carrying out the missions of their commander in chief. And we honor all the service that they've provided." - Barack Obama

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UBL Recruiting Tool (0.00 / 0)
Even if there is a "wink wink nod nod" between Bush and Maliki, we need to leave because what has been now said publicly.

This will be a huge recruiting tool for UBL.


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I Placed (0.00 / 0)
On Digg, it needs Viewing and may get abit by doing so!

I find it hard to believe that this Veterans for Freedom are leaving the troops behind, against All Military Service Ideals, for the politics of power, yet being a 'Nam Vet this isn't new!

And the fight you folks have, the battle of the reality, has already begun!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson


"Freedom" = OIL (0.00 / 0)
The Vets for "Freedom" position is basically we need to occupy Iraq as long as they still have oil, regardless of any notions of freedom and democracy.  It's not right and most of all it's not practical with an all-volunteer military.

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