Afghan Militants Butcher American Soldiers

by: Brandon Friedman

Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 03:18:00 AM EDT


This is kind of a big deal:

SAYDEBAD, Afghanistan -- Not far from here, just off the highway that was once the showpiece of the United States reconstruction effort in Afghanistan, three American soldiers and their Afghan interpreter were ambushed and killed seven weeks ago.

The soldiers -- two of them members of the National Guard from New York -- died as their vehicles were hit by mines and rocket-propelled grenades. At least one was dragged off and chopped to pieces, according to Afghan and Western officials. The body was so badly mutilated that at first the military announced that it had found the remains of two men, not one, in a nearby field.

A source close to the situation explained to me several weeks ago that two of the Americans survived the initial ambush and were captured alive--before being hauled off and butchered.  I didn't say anything about it here or elsewhere because a.) I didn't know what the families knew, and b.) I couldn't confirm it with anyone else.  As for the soldiers being alive when captured, I still don't know with certainty whether or not that's true or just battlefield rumor.  But everything else my source told me has turned out to be correct.

The New York Times explains in more detail:

The three were identified as Sgt. First Class Matthew L. Hilton, 37, of Livonia, Mich., of the Michigan Army National Guard; and Sgt. First Class Joseph A. McKay, 51, of Brooklyn; and Specialist Mark C. Palmateer, 38, of Poughkeepsie, N.Y., both of them part of a reconnaissance, surveillance and target acquisition unit of the New York Army National Guard, according to a Pentagon news release.

Their Afghan interpreter was 21-year-old Muhammad Fahim from Kabul, who had been working with the Americans for the last three years. His body was burned beyond recognition, his family said.

One vehicle struck a mine, but the convoy of three Humvees apparently kept moving, until a second vehicle hit a mine, said Capt. Haji Rahim, who visited the scene afterward. The Humvee caught fire, and the blaze was so strong the trees around it burned too, he said.

Captain Rahim did not see the bodies but learned from an American officer that one or more had been butchered. "Their bodies had no heads, legs or arms," he said. A Western official in Kabul confirmed that at least one of the bodies had been cut up. "Organs were removed," the official said.

Those behind the attack were swiftly identified as a group led by a local man, a former Hesb-e-Islami commander named Mullah Najibullah. Two weeks later United States and Afghan forces tracked him down at his home and killed him and his followers in a siege of the compound, Afghan officials said.

"Organs were removed."  

America needs to wake the fuck up.  U.S. soldiers are being butchered like animals in Afghanistan and most people have no idea that there's even a war going on there.  

Despite the fact that unhelpful Americans like Bing West continue to insist that Afghanistan isn't the central front in this war, the reality on the ground says otherwise.  This is a situation that requires an immediate military solution.  It is not a situation similar to that in Iraq--where the people are capable of governing themselves, and where U.S. forces are not wanted.  This is a situation that requires the use of force to take and hold terrain now controlled by Taliban and other militant groups.  Once this is done, non-military means must be utilized to further stabilize the country.  Currently, U.S. forces are too few and Afghan forces are too weak to prevent the rampant lawlessness that has infected the extremist-plagued areas of eastern Afghanistan and western Pakistan.

During the first two weeks of August, twice as many coalition forces were killed by hostile fire in Afghanistan as in  Iraq.

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"We report - You decide." (4.00 / 1)
How! (4.00 / 1)
The puppet speaking in the first and it's handlers!!!

That's how!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson


[ Parent ]
Yep, (4.00 / 1)
but, as you know, it's more than that, Jim. It's the fact that, as Bush was speaking the words in the first clip, he knew very well that his sights were set on Iraq and Iran, don't you think? It's PNAC to the letter. Here's one blogger's account from 2004 that I think explains a lot:

http://journals.aol.com/bmille...


[ Parent ]
News from Afghanistan...with not such pretty pics (4.00 / 1)
This is horrendous (4.00 / 1)
We are seven years into this war in Afghanistan.  World War II was over in less time.  The soldiers are doing the best they can with what they have been given, but this has become the forgotten war.  While our foreign policy has been focused on nation-building in Iraq, the war on terror has continued to rage in Afghanistan, and Al-Qaeda has grown stronger.  The failure to commit the needed resources that would have saved these soldiers lives is a failure from the highest level.


"No U.S. soldier ever dies in vain because they're carrying out the missions of their commander in chief. And we honor all the service that they've provided." - Barack Obama

I Realize (0.00 / 0)
That all those having served in OIF and OEF, and serving now, would like to finish the job sent to accomplish 7years ago, in Afghanistan.

But I'm afraid we've passed the point where whatever was intended can be accomplished, we passed it long ago when pulling out of and not going full boar on rebuilding along with installing our puppet government there.

Regional fighters have already been swarming into the theater and to do much of anything an invasion of Pakistan would be the only option, opening another front on the frontless conflicts, and the region won't tolerate the bloody destructive expansion, no matter how many troops are sent.

I don't know if you're following this:

Witness: Soldier mutilated Afghan

Hearing: Afghan's body not found

And wether it's tied in anyway to the above,  there will be much more of both coming and already done, I'm afraid, on all sides.

'Nam showed those lessons Very Clearly!!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson


Yes, this is horrifying ... (4.00 / 2)
No one deserves to be hacked to death, if that turns out to be what happened - presumably post mortems will reveal this.  (Perhaps seems like a tangent, but it's worth noting that we stood idly by while a majority of the almost one million Rwandans who were murdered in 1994 were hacked to death -- assuming they couldn't afford to pay someone to shoot them, that is -- and presumably they would attest to it being a horrific way to die, were they able.)  

That said, this event is not surprising to me.  I'm actually amazed this doesn't happen more often, esp. given our current government long ago decided to throw U.S. and international law to the wind (or go along with it).  

I'd also not necessarily agree that we are wanted or welcomed on the whole, in Afghanistan.  I suspect most of them want us to get out, even if others think we're needed for various reasons (to hold onto power, for one).

I am one who is presently in the minority, I suppose, in thinking we should get the frack out of there as well ... except to the extent that we are actually conducting targeted operations against al-Qaeda.  If the Talibans can regain power, so be it.  If they harbor AQ, we'll pound 'em again.  Yes, give the Afghans support insofar as they want it in terms of resources/materiel/money to address the Taliban issue.  Though I'd prefer to put that up to a national Afghani referendum.  

I don't see the Afghanistan situation as being markedly different than that in Iraq -- in other words, we've gone a long way toward destroying the place and somehow expect the citizenry not to turn against us/the Afghan government.   Who are we to say that the Afghans really want Karzai in power, any more than we can say the Pakistanis wanted Musharraf in power?  (Or, for that matter, when we backed and supported Saddam for decades ... until we decided not to?)  

I think so-called "militants" and "extremists" are the Afghan government's problem, not ours.  I put these terms in quotes since I've no doubt they consider themselves patriots ... and, again, who are we to argue?  What would we do to invaders-occupiers of our country, or those we considered not to be legitimately elected?  To those who think they would not react the same way, I say, get real.

If we'd not fucked up the end game, as Charlie Wilson put it, back in the '80s, we wouldn't necessarily have had the Taliban there to support AQ in the first place.  We decided it wasn't worthwhile to build a few schools, spread a little good will.  Most Afghans had zippy idea we helped them get rid of the Russians, and they don't all feel kindly toward yet another occupying/invading force raining down DU ordnance on them, among other things.  Those poor people have been fracked so often for so many centuries, I can't really blame them.

It also doesn't help public relations when Americans have snatched up their citizens just because some tribal warlord (or unhappy cousin, in one particular case) says they are or did X-Y-Z, turning in for a $5,000 bounty (about 16 years' worth of income over there on average), or more - not because they were "enemy combatants" - resulting in their being flown to Bagram and then Guantanamo to be tortured and abused for years on end without any evidence of wrongdoing.  

Once returned to their country, it's stupefying to me that they don't all hate us.  Hell, one 80-year old detainee evidently even wants to come here for an operation to help with his paralysis.  (Yes, we detained and abused an old paralyzed dude, after he went to complain about his son being taken/detained.  Yay us.)

I'm afraid some troops finding themselves in the unfortunate position of reaping what we've sown since 2001 is unavoidable.  My heart goes out to their families.

Mary a/k/a Fxston


Sorry, make that "turned" vs. "turning" in the third-to-last para. (end) (4.00 / 1)
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[ Parent ]
This (0.00 / 0)
has nothing to do with our failure to abide by any international law. It is quite simple actually. These guys have been doing this kind of shit since before we were even a country. Why do our threats to not support AQ types bear no fruit. Well, it is quite simple. The rest of this region is onto our game. We have rules. Yes we have screw ups, but war is hell. AQ types on the other hand. They have no rules. They are truly ruthless. So, we make threats not to support them and...........

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Not (0.00 / 0)
that I would expect anyone who has not dealt with AQ types to truly understand the level of their ruthlessness. It is one of those things that you have to experience to truly grasp.

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Where's the Media? (0.00 / 0)
America needs to wake the fuck up.  U.S. soldiers are being butchered like animals in Afghanistan and most people have no idea that there's even a war going on there.  

It seems like the media should be all over this.  Unfortunately, the Presidential election is taking top billing.  WTF?

But the real question is why the DOD and commanders in the area are not clamoring for more troops in Afgh.  The article in http://www.voanews.com/english... (July 31) shows Gates saying "I'm just saying that we're still working through it and I haven't received any recommendations yet from the chiefs [of the military services] or from the Central Command commander," for more forces.  If they squeaked loud enough, I would hope more would leave Iraq to fill the need there.


Not sure sure I'd automatically believe ... (0.00 / 0)
Gates.  It's not like said "chiefs ... or Central Command" would lead the truth.

... and it's not like they arguably have troops to spare from Iraq for the next 5 months, 'lest their departure cause a situation that might make George look worse, right?  

I love Bill Maher's observation about what Reagan might have said vis-a-vis the Lebanon bombing in 1983:  "These people are fucking nuts!  We're outta here!"


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Agreed (0.00 / 0)
It seems like the media should be all over this.  Unfortunately, the Presidential election is taking top billing.  WTF?

Between the election and the olympics, people seem to have forgotten about the wars.

"No U.S. soldier ever dies in vain because they're carrying out the missions of their commander in chief. And we honor all the service that they've provided." - Barack Obama


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But we also have Georgia...and high gas/grocery prices. (0.00 / 0)
Did anybody listen to Gates' press conference today?

I heard one 'reporter' question that was contained so many parts that you couldn't follow it. So, obviously planted...

Gates and the Commanders can't ask for more troops, because they don't have them. Also, remember what happened to the guys with the stars that said we needed 400,000 troops on the ground to follow Shock 'n Awe.

Also, you can count me as one who thinks that we need to be paying attention to Pakistan and Kashmir...and politics in Afghanistan. Like Karzai saying take the fight to Pakistan where the enemy is, you're killing innocents. Musharraf hanging by a thread with AQ attacking supply lines at Karachi.

Remember, Pakistan really does have Nukes...and so does India who is dealing with attacks from Kashmir.

I haven't been to war college, but it seems to me that it is logical for an insurgency to attack at the weakest link where they can do the most damage. And to be highly mobile, as in pack up their tents, disappear into the night, and  live to fight another day.
....................

This story of mutilation makes me sick. It makes me angry. Sounds like much of Africa.
........................

BigMac said today about Georgia and Russia, "This is the 21st Century and Nations don't invade Nations."


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Actually I disagree (0.00 / 0)
This is horrific and difficult to read and I am glad you wrote about it for my knowledge, but i seek this knowledge.  I would hate for the media to put this all over and the families who lost their loved ones and who would have to be constantly reminded of the brutality of the incident, because the media would focus on that.  We just need in general, more coverage on every fallen soldier/marine/airman/sailor.  I doubt it is true, but I'd like to believe that sometimes the media does some self-editing.  Ok, ok, stop laughing.

[ Parent ]
We should not (0.00 / 0)
be surprised by this at all. Anyone who has read their history and/or dealt with AQ, AQI, or any other Takfiri organization should have seen this coming. Well, having seen it coming does not make me any less fucking goddamn pissed off about it.

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