60 Days To Judge a Commander in Chief?

by: Jon Soltz

Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 15:26:29 PM EDT


I'm going to be very blunt, here. I wish Senator McCain a very long and happy life. But, at age 72 with a history of cancer, John McCain may not live through his first term, if elected. That would make Sarah Palin our Commander in Chief. I, and other vets and troops, have about 60 days to determine if she'll grow to be ready.

She's not ready now -- not based on the complete blank resume on global strategic issues and veterans issues. To be fair, Barack Obama wasn't ready to be Commander in Chief when he became Senator in 2005.

But, over the course of the last few years, and the last year-and-a-half in particular, I've been able to soundly judge Senator Obama, and watch him grow into a readied potential Commander in Chief. In the Senate, serving on the Foreign Affairs committee, he's tackled some of the major issues of our time, asking probing and highly informed questions of military leaders and diplomatic leaders.

I've been able to watch his thought process in action, and have seen him been proven right on Iraq, right on Afghanistan, right on talking to Iran, and right on the war on terror. He's shown an incredible ability to think in much larger strategic terms than this president, to the point that I'm supremely confident he is ready to lead our Armed Forces.

Sarah Palin? God only knows.

I've never heard her even address any of those issues, or the veterans issues like the GI Bill, VA Funding, and care for those vets with PTSD, or those who are homeless. Senator Obama has shown an acute understanding of and deep record on each of those issues - cosponsoring the GI Bill, always supporting greater VA funding, backing the Webb-Hagel Dwell Time Amendment (unlike McCain) and writing the Homes for Our Heroes Act, which would take on veterans homelessness.

I have to assume with no real history of judgment of her own on war, Palin will back John McCain's dismal judgment on military and veterans matters - endless war in Iraq, inability or unwillingness to get Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan, opposing education benefits and greater VA funding, continued overextension of our military, and a shoot-first/think-later mentality.

Maybe Palin could one day be someone who has the judgment and experience that would make me feel comfortable with her leading our Armed Forces. But not now. Not after just 60 days thinking about those issues, and even then, just toting the party line. What's this say about McCain's judgment - to put political PR above sound judgment when it comes to naming a potential, if not very possible, Commander in Chief? What's it say about his judgment vs. Barack Obama, who faced with the same question, answered, "Joe Biden."

In times like these, with the stakes so high, and the decent chance that McCain might not live long into his first term, I can think of no scarier thought as a proud war veteran than someone with such an empty resume holding in her hands the lives of my buddies still in the service.

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They're trying to neutralize Joe Biden (0.00 / 0)
If he gets frisky at the inevitable VP debate, it will look like he's a bully who is beating up an innocent girl.  Monica Goodling played the same card, and most members of Congress were terrified to touch her when she testified about the US Attorney firing scandal.

Bottom line: This choice demonstrates that McCain cares more about winning than he does about the quality and continuity of our national leadership.  


John has covered a lot of ground in regards to Palin (0.00 / 0)
and I agree with everything he stated.  In fact, I would go further and say that people can and do make the argument that Obama is also inexperienced.  That is fine.  However, I will point out that its not just Obama we are talking about here.  Obama has served at the state and Senate levels and has already been overseas and met with many world leaders.  He also has a very experienced VP in Joe Biden to back him up and he can also easily fill the role of President of the United States if Obama becomes incapacitated.

The situation is exactly the reverse for Palin.  Its unfortunate to think about but if McCain passes on due to his advanced age Palin will have to assume the role of President of the United States and Commander in Chief of our armed forces.  She will have to do those jobs knowing that she is a mere novice when it comes to carrying out those duties and will have to do them on the world stage or in front of a hostle, Democratically lead Congress.  If that happens leaders may automatically see her as being easily manipulated, unwise in her decisions, and lacking in any sort of political influence.  It will become very difficult for her to push through her national as well as international agendas that is for sure.  The U.S. military can't be enthused about Palin either.  I can only imagine the jokes being told right now amongst the ranks.   McCain chose poorly in my opinion.

"Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home."

Marcus Tullius Cicero 106 BC-43 BC


The choice of Palin... (4.00 / 1)
...seems to me to be in hopes of getting as many disgruntled Hillary supporters to vote McCain. if it works, then, we Dems deserve McCain.

We are running the best candidates we've run in years, and their platform is miles above the Republican platform on any level. The choice is clear as a bell, and any Democrat who'd vote McCain out of spite over Hillary deserves four more years of the crap we've gone through to get here. Unfortunately, our children DON'T deserve it! They deserve so much better than the past eight years!


Interesting Hypothesis (0.00 / 0)
Yes, very interesting that some here have McCain virtually dead and buried (due to "HEALTH" of course), while the country burns because of President Palin's "inexperience!"  Good grief, we saw this coming, didn't we.  The talking points have made the rounds very quickly.

But to be fair and objective..... I think the "inexperience" bomb is the only one currently available; however, it's a dud.  As written, Obama had (has?) the same problem.  Being a US Senator is certainly not equivalent to being a state governor, an executive position.  Both are about equal in "foreign" experience and both are young.  All the while, Biden has been in the US Senate for decades, yet now touts his "blue collar" stains as an average American scrapper.  Sweet.

Bottom line: I think Palin is good for the election process and it will be up to HER to prove herself, and not for US to judge her blindly.


How about a word from another POW (0.00 / 0)
Phillip Butler, a Naval Academy graduate and decorated combat veteran who was imprisoned for eight years in the infamous "Hanoi Hilton," declares in a new political film that McCain's time as a POW makes him a medical and temperamental risk to be handed the responsibilities of commander-in-chief.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...


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Over in Europe (0.00 / 0)
I am over in Europe right now, yes rank has its privilige....

The reaction by local commentators is one of astonishment.  


Arguably ... (0.00 / 0)
While Obama only has 12 years' worth of public service under his belt, sorry, running a state with a population less than that of any DC-area suburban county is, well, not exactly what I consider impressive "executive" experience.  Worth noting that the place has plenty of money and no state tax of income or sales.  Given the nature of folks who go to live there, the challenges-burden of management are uniquely small as compared to virtually any other state (in terms of services and infrastructure).  

Also, no one ever qualifies/quantifies exactly what the hell they mean when they refer to "executive experience", or why it's deemed more important than basic intelligence, innate management skill and sound judgment in terms of picking folks to get stuff done.  We've seen evidence from the way Obama has run his campaign that he's good at being a chief executive, whereas Hillary frankly messed up in that it was her race to lose.  

"I think Palin is good for the election process and it will be up to HER to prove herself, and not for US to judge her blindly."

I'd like to know how she goes about proving herself, given she won't be running her own show.

This must be horrifying for the republicans.   Just horrifying.  At least if the republican friend's reaction down the hall is any yardstick (he's livid but refuses to acknowledge it).

I say we couldn't pick a better set of folks to run against this year.  Now we have to hope that the citizen watchdogs in the relevant states do what they can to lessen the chance of the vote tampering that's taken place in the last couple of national elections.  For those who poo-poo the notion, please, watch this documentary:

http://www.uncountedthemovie.c...


True Point (0.00 / 0)
When you write
Also, no one ever qualifies/quantifies exactly what the hell they mean when they refer to "executive experience", or why it's deemed more important than basic intelligence, innate management skill and sound judgment in terms of picking folks to get stuff done.

...you basically take the "experience" factor out of the equation, and I agree.  Obama's or Palin's sound judgment and intellect are key to running a government, and from some research, both are equally in the mix.  Also noteworthy is whether one is a Senator, a Governor, House member, or a military commander (like Eisenhower), when they step into the Oval office, it's a whole new "experience," a whole new ball game.  My original focus was on the experience factor of Palin vs Obama, and I find that both are "lacking" -- and as we can perhaps agree, maybe that's not necessarily a bad thing after all.

Another small item: we've been listening to hours of "change," a "new way in Washington," and "getting in touch with average Americans."  While I hold no grudge against Biden, his decades of Washington DC politics is not IMHO the way to "change" the guard.

And finally, McCain isn't dead yet!  Why are we already putting Palin in the Oval Office?

Regards.


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You (0.00 / 0)
Obama's or Palin's sound judgment and intellect are key to running a government, and from some research

Had better turn off FOX and use that puter, in front of you, and Really Do Research, it may Surprise and Educate, especially as to Palin, she ain't lookin to bright as folks are finding out about her, not even the Alaskin Papers are in her corner, one flatly saying she's Not Qualified!!!!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson


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In Virginia... (0.00 / 0)
I heard two Republicans at work say they probably won't vote (I suggested Bob Barr:)).  I also overheard an older lady say she has no idea who she would vote for if she had a ballot in her hand...she is also a Republican.  Doesn't look good for McCain.  Just wait until women find out Palin is a creationist...

Saw her on TV (0.00 / 0)
I saw her on TV today. She said she has always worked with her hands.

Wow! Impressive.


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Palin's home church: Juneau Christian Center [Assembly of God] (0.00 / 0)
Creationists who like to ban books in schools/libraries and put religion in the science curriculum. Abstinence only sex education and rhythm only birth control.

Taking it a step farther is she into 'dominionism'?  "impose Christian 'dominion' on non-believers" and more explained here:

http://www.countercurrents.org...


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I don't buy the blank resume criticism. (0.00 / 0)
I've got a blank resume on foreign policy, but I know in my heart I would have been an infinitely better president than shrub.

That's not saying anything.

The point is, a long resume in politics simply means lots and lots of ties to the power structure that has so fucked this country.


Yep. (0.00 / 0)
The selection of Miss Sarah sure as shit blows the "Obama doesn't have the experience" argument to hell.


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Isn't the McCain VP selection a moot point!? (0.00 / 0)
I mean...come on you guys...you're scaring me!

Y'all are talking like there's more than a snowball's chance in Hell of McCain winning thiis thing.

And, as for experience and blank resumes and the like...we all know that the Bush administration has done a pretty damn good job when it comes to turning experience into a bloody four-letter word.

But, let's not kid ourseleves about the urgent need for foreign policy, national security and judiciary experience AND competence if we hope to climb out of the very deep hole we all find ourselves in as a result of eight long years of neoconservative-inspired incompetence.

We all know that there is only one ticket out of this mess...right!? RIGHT!?


C'mon, Elizabeth, (0.00 / 0)
you know there's always a better than a snowball's chance in hell that people will do something stupid.

I've been thinking about Palin. At first, I thought the choice might have something to do with the disgruntled Hillary supporters. I also thought McClone might be trying to get some of the "youth vote." I was wrong. He picked Palin because he's trying to get the religious right back in, and it's going to work, I'm afraid. Those people will vote for anybody who is a staunch anti-abortionist, even if it meant global nuclear war. They don't care about any other issue, and they vote in droves. And Palin is a staunch anti-abortionist.


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Yeah, Gage...I know... (0.00 / 0)
...I just don't want to think about that sad state of affairs. Truth be known, I just want to ignore that possibility and hope it goes away. :)

Seriously, I am starting to get very concerned about the persistent closeness of this race. And, there is no changing how a very large chunk of voters will continue to vote against interest - their own and that of their country - no matter what.

But, there are millions of potential voters out there across the country - moderate and disillusioned Republicans, wayward Democrats and a newly minted crop of Independent voters.While Obama/Biden are saying most of the right things and in pretty much the right way, they are saying it to the wrong crowds. Preaching to the converted will get them nowhere, fast...despite McCain's veep selection! Over the course of the next 60 days, they both need to venture out deep into Republican and Independent territory, debate these voters, make the case for a radical change in course and boldly and confidently ask for the votes of life-long and moderate Republicans and newly registered Independents.

As for Palin...let's talk after the veep debate...shall we?! Oh, man...I can hardly wait!


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This is a great opportunity for the Dems (4.00 / 1)
I'd ignore the comments that Biden can't take her to task to avoid the impression that he's "beating up" on her.  I'd use the VP debate and every other opportunity to expose how little she knows about foreign policy and national security.  Let's show the country how unprepared Sarah Palin is to be our Commander-in-Chief.  

Proof: Biden is better!? (0.00 / 0)
After this, why would anyone "vote for Palin?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...


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The Stakes For America's Security... (0.00 / 0)
... http://biden.senate.gov/press/...

ernliz,

Respectfully, I must say that this post of yours is the kind of post that is wholly unworthy of VetVoice.

I think it may be time that you start taking this election seriously. I would be very interested in your comments on the stakes for America's security, according to Joe Biden.


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But Elizabeth! (0.00 / 0)
I take this election very seriously, and I hope the best candidates win -- for the good of the country and us veterans.  However, I'm surprised at your response to my peevish link above.  I would NEVER post such a link if it weren't simply an opposite of a LOT MORE of such links here trashing the other side.  This site is devoted to trashing the Bush administration, deserved or not, and such crass partisanship should not be the mark of a site working for fair veteran's rights and objective discussions.  Surely you can understand that.

I abhor trashy partisanship, but as long as it continues at least one voice from the other side should have a crack at it.  When Obama wins, I'll support him fully, but until then I cannot just sit here seeing the trash-talk without responding.  Damn!  If I posted a link showing McCain being a goon, would you have written?


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ernliz, you make a very good point! (0.00 / 0)
And, I apologize for implying that you don't believe this is one of the most important elections in US history, especially from the perspective of troops and veterans.

But, you shouldn't be surprised by my response - admittedly of the knee-jerk variety - to your "peevish" link. After all, I have been trying, desperately, for the last few years to expose all of the media-driven national myths about Joe Biden for the nonsense they are and that link set me back...A LOT! Geesh! (By the way, what did you think of the speech at Georgetown University in my link!?)

I would agree with you, wholeheartedly, in abhorring "trashy partisanship" and I do fully understand how important it is to move to a post-partisan environment if we are to meet all of the challenges that lie ahead, particularly when it comes to all of the issues of great concern to the troops and veterans. And, it is true that a lot of attention here seems to be focused on why McCain and the Republicans should not be supported - most of it valid, I would say - to the near exclusion of what the Democrats are offering and criticism thereof.

Please, I beg of you, don't post a link of McCain being a goon! If you had, I would hope that I, if not someone else around here, would have taken you to task for it.

Actually, just this morning, I made a comment over at...ahem...the Huffington Post condemning one of the bloggers there for his lame headline and post claiming that Cindy McCain believes that "[Governor] Palin has national security experience because Alaska is close to Russia".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

That is not what Mrs. McCain said. I commented that this was just another example of the media and blogosphere being lazy, at best, and incompetent, at worst. Since I used the words media, lazy, and incompetent all in the same sentence, my post probably won't pass muster with the moderators there and I will have earned yet another deletion - I'm beginning to start thinking of these rebukes as little badges of honour!

Anyway...bottom line...we are definitely on the same page when it comes to how important this election is and in our hope that enough of us can move beyond the inertia of partisanship and start to see our leaders implementing solutions to the problems that affect us all.



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Thanks.......... (0.00 / 0)
THAT was refreshing!  I'm almost certain we'll disagree later but I'll know you're a person with honor.

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McCain IS a goon... (0.00 / 0)
He has NO business campaigning to be our next president.  His VP choice is nothing more than a GILF.

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McCain may have no business being the next POTUS, but... (0.00 / 0)
...that doesn't mean that he won't be elected! You just have to look at the last couple of election cycles to know that.

And, we are not going to prevent that from happening by using the kind of language and "arguments" you have used in your post. We are going to have to be a bit more creative in making the case for Obama/Biden or, in other words...for change we can believe in and for the capacity to make that change happen!

There is certainly no lack of valid arguments to be made against McCain/Palin and those arguments pack a helluva lot more punch than name-calling...or, at least, they SHOULD!


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Look, (0.00 / 0)
I don't like Obama/Biden either.  McCain/Palin and Obama/Biden are all politicians cut of the same cloth.  We're all screwed....

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JD, Based on your bio... (0.00 / 0)
...I would think you should be a huge Biden supporter. And, Obama/BIDEN should be just the ticket to snap you out of your extreme cynicism. Seriously!

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Well... (0.00 / 0)
I am not a huge Biden supporter.  The Obama/Biden muthafuckers have shown no interest in ending the Iraq occupation.  They suck just like the McBushians.

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Well, you should be! (0.00 / 0)
Senator Biden is the only person on the planet who has offered up a viable and comprehensive plan to reverse US policy, vis-a-vis Iraq, and end the civil war there and withdraw US forces without leaving a failed state in their wake.

Senator Biden has been working tirelessly in the Senate - for years now - to put that body on record as being opposed both to permanent US military bases in Iraq and to any US control over Iraq's natural resources.

What the heck more do you want! If you really care about ending the US occupation of Iraq, then you will become an ardent supporter of Obama/Biden...now, come on...you gotta work with me on this...I know you would be a wonderful asset to the cause!


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Palin (0.00 / 0)
I agree with you, Jon.  But she should be somewhat aware and even involved since her oldest son's shipping out to Iraq in a few weeks.  Don't you think?  This choice was another cynical, calculated political response by the doddering John McCain. Awful response at this critical juncture for our world at large and our military.  I wonder what my son, who's about to become a captain in the Army on Monday, will think of this. Although he never does talk politics with me; maybe he can't do that while on active duty. Do you know if there is a rule about that?????

I have to believe that something extraordinary is possible. (Mrs. John Nash)

Politics and the military (0.00 / 0)
Although he never does talk politics with me; maybe he can't do that while on active duty. Do you know if there is a rule about that?????

Here's a primer on what troops can and can't do.  Mostly, they simply can't actively take part in the political process in a way that could represent the DOD:
http://www.soldiersperspective...

He can certainly discuss his political feelings with you.

Regarding Palin, perhaps you're not giving her a chance yet.  Since she was only selected a day ago shouldn't we wait until she actually speaks?  As Governor, she had no practical  involvement in the Iraq war, yet she explained her support of the administration, as did the majority of Congress when this mess first started.


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Hey, cool... (0.00 / 0)
I hope folks click your link.  My comment on CJ's blog still stands.  I support Iraq Veterans Against the War.

http://ivaw.org

Peace...


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