Pakistan Will Now Become McCain's Next Flip-Flop

by: Brandon Friedman

Sat Sep 20, 2008 at 13:51:39 PM EDT


Like the economists who pleaded until hoarse about a coming financial meltdown, foreign policy types have been doing the same with regard to the situation in Pakistan.  Indeed, Pakistan is a nation on the verge.  You could call it a nuclear version of AIG.

When the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Michael Mullen, went to Pakistan last week, it was clear that relations between the militaries of Pakistan and the United States were more strained than they had ever been.  As it stood, reports indicated that Pakistani troops had recently fired on American forces during a cross-border raid.  The hostility between those on both sides of the border was palpable.  

That situation has now worsened with scores dead in Saturday night's Marriott Hotel bombing in Islamabad--an event that prompted conservative MSNBC commentator Pat Buchanan to echo what others have previously said by calling Pakistan "the most dangerous country on earth."  The reality is that the United States now faces a more precarious relationship with a nuclear-armed, quasi-ally, that houses hordes of violent extremists in its largely ungoverned western provinces.

Strikingly, between Senators John McCain and Barack Obama, one of the two has been right on the mark from the beginning--though many heavily criticized him for his stance.  The other has been devastatingly wrong, choosing to make Pakistan (and Afghanistan) a low U.S. foreign policy priority, despite the troubling indicators.  That senator, John McCain, will now be forced by events to alter his position on Pakistan to come more in line with that of Barack Obama.  

This has the potential to become the foreign-policy equivalent of McCain's "fundamentals-of-our-economy-are-strong" moment.  When McCain made that remark, his economic ignorance betrayed him and he was forced by unraveling events to completely reverse his stand within a matter of hours.  It's about to happen again, though perhaps on a slightly longer timeline.  Here's why:

While John McCain has been unfailingly obsessed with the "surge" in Iraq, Barack Obama has always seemed to understand that Pakistan represented the greater threat to the United States than Iraq.  In fact, Obama has made this a central theme--often making remarks like the one he made earlier this month:

Barack Obama said a few moments ago that Bush and John McCain don't understand that the central front in the war on terror is not in Iraq but in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

A pretty basic statement, but in contrast to McCain, it's what Obama has been saying for over a year--when he assumed a much more aggressive stance:

In a strikingly bold speech about terrorism Wednesday, Democratic presidential candidate Illinois Sen. Barack Obama called not only for a withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, but a redeployment of troops into Afghanistan and even Pakistan -- with or without the permission of Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf.

"I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges," Obama said, "but let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."

That last sentence went global--with news organizations around the world gasping at Obama's proposition.  But the sentence wasn't really the crux of Obama's proposed strategy in the region:

One of the ways he hopes to achieve this is by pointing out the inherent flaws in the complicated U.S.-Pakistan relationship, an uneasy alliance based in part on U.S. fears of an Islamist government that might replace Musharraf. But Obama proposed in his speech a more aggressive stance with that nuclear nation, making the "hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. military aid to Pakistan conditional, and I would make our conditions clear: Pakistan must make substantial progress in closing down the training camps, evicting foreign fighters and preventing the Taliban from using Pakistan as a staging area for attacks in Afghanistan."

Additionally Obama called for at least two additional brigades to redeploy to Afghanistan to re-enforce U.S. counterterrorism operations and support NATO's efforts against the Taliban. This would be accompanied by political and economic efforts, Obama said, pledging to increase nonmilitary U.S. aid to Afghanistan by a whopping $1 billion.

The shift from Iraq to Afghanistan and possibly even Pakistan is one of five elements he called for in his speech.

But while Obama has promised to make Pakistan a central focus of his of his foreign policy efforts, McCain has continually laughed him off, choosing instead to call Obama "confused" and "inexperienced":

"Will the next president have the experience, the judgment experience informs and the strength of purpose to respond to each of these developments in ways that strengthen our security and advance the global progress of our ideals?" McCain asked. "Or will we risk the confused leadership of an inexperienced candidate who once suggested invading our ally, Pakistan, and sitting down without preconditions or clear purpose with enemies who support terrorists and are intent on destabilizing the world by acquiring nuclear weapons?"

And even there, McCain misconstrued Obama's statement about Pakistan.  But that careless disregard for both the truth and the situation in Pakistan was not lost on others who saw the necessity of endorsing an aggressive stance with that country.  Joe Klein of TIME Magazine responded:

McCain's loose, inaccurate talk continues a sad pattern he has shown on national security matters, particularly with regard to Iraq, where he is a loose cannon, firing off hot-button words like "victory" and "surrender"--words that his hero General David Petraeus has never and would never use. As it now stands, McCain believes that Iraq, where 150,000 U.S. troops are chasing after 3,500 Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia terrorists, is the "central front" in the war against terrorism--and he is on the record opposed to taking military action against the real Al Qaeda, which is actively working to destabilize Afghanistan, and Pakistan, and may be planning the next 9/11 in the mountains of Waziristan.

It's no surprise then, that, in 2003, McCain was the same guy who proposed "muddling through" Afghanistan as the most prudent course of action.  It's just not his focus.  He wants to fight the War on Terror in Iraq and, as of yet, no facts to the contrary have been able to drag McCain away from his increasingly misguided focus.  And to me, that's a pretty weak stance when it comes to fighting terror.  

Christopher Hitchens summed it up best for Slate last Monday:

Pakistan is the problem.  And Barack Obama seems to be the only candidate willing to face it.

Unfortunately for McCain, as events like the Marriott bombing, the cross-border incidents, and the influence of the Taliban increase--and as we creep closer to mission failure in neighboring Afghanistan--he will be forced to reconfigure his position on Pakistan.  He will flip-flop.  He will suddenly say that Pakistan is a U.S. national security priority.  And he will fall in line with Barack Obama's way of seeing the situation.  Again.

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Brandon, I support the Obama/Biden ticket. And I have also believed (0.00 / 0)
that we needed to be more militarily aggressive pursuing the Taliban and bin Laden in Pakistan...  however, I think that opportunity has passed and we have to modify our approach in light of changed circumstances: those circumstances being the condition of our military, the state of our economy, the distrust of our motives by other countries, and the exponential rise of anti-American sentimental around the world among Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

I don't think that antagonizing Pakistan with our military is necessarily going to get us the results that we are looking for.  What could our military do in Pakistan at this point that wouldn't completely destabilize that country?  The Taliban has had years to ingratiate themselves with the people and tribes of Pakistan.  We have had years killing Muslims in the middle east and, what looks like, bullying other countries for our purposes.  The gulf between our peoples is even greater now than it was before 9/11.  The scariest part is that Pakistan is a nuclear power.  Pakistan has a rivalry with another nuclear power, India.  We go muscling our way into Pakistan and it will go from bad to worse and this "global war" WILL REALLY become a GLOBAL war pretty quick and America doesn't have a lot of good will in its reserves to fall back on.  Nor do we have a fully manned and prepped military force, nor do we have a thriving economy.

Problem is, I think McCain will resort to military force in Pakistan as well.  It is my hope that Obama would be more restrospect about this and the changed circumstances of our position in the world, the condition of our military, the possible negative consequences should Pakistan's government lose control of its country and an insurgent force gain control of it (and subsequently control of its nuclear weapons).


Make wars unprofitable and you make them impossible.
~A. Philip Randolph



I would tend to agree with Carissa...and would add that (0.00 / 0)
one of the major problems in my mind is Mr. 10%,  Zardari and how far you can trust him.

Here is report on his speech as he became the new President:

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_...

I know that this is wiki, but it is quick:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...

Googling [Zardari, corruption] is interesting


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Pakistan's support of the Taliban. (0.00 / 0)
From Human Rights Watch in 2001
http://www.hrw.org/reports/200...

and from the Army Times today
http://www.armytimes.com/news/...


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I disagree, Carissa. (0.00 / 0)
I'm not sure what has "passed."  Not only are the people who attacked us still operating freely in Pakistan, but the medieval people who supported them are getting stronger by the day.  I'm not sure what's changed.  The threat manifested itself in actual attacks seven years ago, and now they're back in business.  

I don't see what this has to do with anti-American sentiment in the Muslim world, either.  This is about self defense.  When the tribes of eastern Afghanistan and western Pakistan are left to govern themselves, we've seen what happens.

Afghanistan is not Iraq and neither is Pakistan.  These situations are completely different and should be treated as such.


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What is different about NOW versus seven years ago, Brandon, (4.00 / 1)
is that there is absolutely NO SYMPATHY for America (as a result of Iraq) when seven years ago, even Iran was expressing sympathy and outrage at the actions that were taken against us (as a result of 9/11).  Had we been more agressive THEN in pursuing ONLY AQ into Pakistan, it may have been viewed as a legitimate use of our power in defense of our nation and thus not antagonized the Pakistani people THE WAY IT WILL NOW.  

NOW we are being TOLD by Pakistan that under no conditions do they want us there.  They would rather have the Taliban there than us.  Our motives are no longer trusted, we are no longer trusted.  

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely believe we have to go after them, but I also believe it must be done with the consent of the Pakistani government, period.  We CANNOT go into an unstable nuclear country without its consent, knowledge, permission, or cooperation.  I think it would be the height of American arrogance and folly--unless we plan to have a draft and completely and totally occupy that country and control and remove all their nuclear war heads.  

Does that make sense?  I WANT TO GO AFTER THEM.  I just believe it HAS TO BE DONE with the consent and cooperation of this government.  Even if we continue with only missile strikes into Pakistan, how much longer before they decide to side with the Taliban officially because they are sick of our failure to respect their sovereignty, which apparently we are now in the habit of doing?

Make wars unprofitable and you make them impossible.
~A. Philip Randolph



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Brandon, I think what Carissa is saying - and I couldn't agree more - is that (4.00 / 1)
America is in DESPERATE need of a smart, comprehensive foreign policy to obliterate the scourge of radical Islamic fundamenatalism, or terrorism, or whatever you want to call it, wherever it exists.

But the US will NOT accomplish this alone - not by a long shot!

And, we have to start getting serious about the question of which presidential ticket offers any reasonable prospect of implementing a foreign policy that will ensure the security of the nation, at home and within a global context.

In my view, of course, the answer is a no-brainer! Let's get real!


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I agree with BOTH Brandon and Carissa... (0.00 / 0)
A few quick points:

1)  We need to kill off the Salafi Jihadists inside of Pakistan

2)  Internal Law Enforcement nor the Pakistani Army will do it

3)  The US Military is not the organization to do it

4)  Neither is the CIA

So...my point is that there was a strategic blunder after 9/11 by the US administration and the UN.  Just as the UN was created post WW2 to deter nation on nation war, there should have been an international law enforcement agency created after 9/11 that dealt with terrorism.

This organization would mirror the flexibility and fluidity and grassroots approach that terrorist organizations maintain.

They would be based off the current foundations of INTERPOL.  INTERPOL has National Central Bureaus in each member country.  Currently, they only have authority to be a resource for local law enforcement, but I advocate expanding their abilities to be operational, diplomatic and to control the media.

They need to be operational in order to combat terrorists.  To kill or capture them in the event the local law enforcement cannot or refuses to.

The need a diplomatic arm to deal with terrorist organizations that can be brought into the political process.

They also need a media arm to shut down terrorist propaganda websites, radio stations, tv stations, etc. that promote violent terrorist activity and inflames violent attacks on civilians and other infrastructure.  We must recognize that the media cannot be neutral.  These organizations use the media's neutrality to spread propaganda and mission statements to its followers and supporters.  Media must not be allowed to do so.

For those of us who study Terrorism (I have an M.A. in Diplomacy with a concentration in Terrorism), we know that there are only 2 ways a terrorist organization ends:

1) They are brought into the political process

2) Local law enforcement kills or captures all the key leaders

The question becomes what happens when the local law enforcement agencies, like the ones in Pakistan, refuse or are unable to go after these groups?


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Well, I believe this is a first for VetVoice! (0.00 / 0)
And a welcome one, too. I was beginning to think you were just against McCain and didn't feel the other option was worth supporting on its own merits.

I hope this is just the beginning!


"Turning to the Taleban in Pakistan" (0.00 / 0)
US raids on Taleban and al-Qaeda targets in Pakistani territory have caused outrage in Pakistan. And that has added to the loathing that some people there have long felt for the way that the US conducts itself on the world stage, as Owen Bennett-Jones discovers.

"I would rather live in the dark ages under the Taleban than be subservient to any foreign power."

The unexpected comment comes from an urbane, sophisticated and, I had always thought, Westernised Pashtun lawyer.

He wears none of the badges of Islamic piety - a beard, for example - and he normally sports a navy blazer not the local shalwar kameez.

He is a former minister with the Pakistan People's Party, the most liberal in Pakistan.

Rejecting the West

The word liberal in the Pakistani context means modern, educated, secular rather than theocratic and, up until now at least, pro-Western.

"You can't mean it," I protested. "Do you know what the Taleban were like in Afghanistan when they ran it, with compulsory prayers five times a day, do you want that?"

"Look," he said. "I can deal with Taleban, they are my own people. They come from here. I know them.

"I will be able to get around them. But the Americans never. No way."

That is how badly the battle for hearts and minds is going in Pakistan. It could scarcely be worse.

Taken aback by that conversation, I chatted about it with another senior Pakistani politician, a senator, again a well known liberal.

"I agree with him," he said. "Is there is no end to it? The Americans are now bombing Pakistani people. What are they doing here 12,000 miles away from home?"

And he told me about his children, four boys.

"I sent them to the UK for their education," he said, "I spent all my money on it. They had five, six years in England at boarding schools, it was a crucial time of their lives, they were young.

"They could have stayed and settled down there but they all choose not to. They didn't want to. All four are living here in Pakistan and praying five times a day.

"I don't pray five times a day," he said. "They do. Why? Because you in the West have forced them away, forced them towards Islam. You have forced them out."

Again, I was taken aback. Apart from the familiar complaints about foreign policy, what had those boys seen in their English boarding school that they did not like?

Drunkenness, I guess. Consumerism, maybe. Disrespect for the elderly always shocks Pakistanis, so perhaps that.

I guess that seen through some young Pakistani eyes there are things we do that they do not want.

Still, anti-Americanism in Pakistan has reached quite fantastic levels.

There are now suicide bombs every few days and no-one doubts that the Taleban recruit, train and equip the bombers.

After one recent suicide attack, the brother of one of the victims was quoted in the press.

Did he blame the Taleban? He did not. "America is responsible for my brother's death," he said. "If the Americans went back home everything would be calm here."

There is, I think, universal agreement amongst Pakistanis that, if the US continues to rely so heavily on military firepower in Afghanistan, and increasingly in Pakistan too, then the Taleban will win.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/pro...

Make wars unprofitable and you make them impossible.
~A. Philip Randolph



Pak it up (0.00 / 0)
it seems OBL's "Blame Americans for Everything Final Solution" has crept into Pakistan.

- Wife won't fulfill her duties- Blame America
-Son wants to be a lawyer Blame America
- Your car broke down -Blame America
- vending machine won't give you your candy bar-Blame America.

sounds a lot like a guy in Berlin circa 1939.

We should be more concerned with helping India at this point, if they want to bash Americans in Pakistan.

Strong diplomacy with a nice nail studded two by four behind the back just in case is a good start.



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Then again, (0.00 / 0)
why do we need to be in Afghanistan or Pakistan in force? We don't need to be in Iraq, but do we really need to be in Pakistan or Afghanistan, either?  

Susan Rice is Obama's Sr. Foreign Policy adviser. (0.00 / 0)
This recent article discusses more.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/M...

Career path of Susan Rice who is currently on leave as a Sr. Fellow at the Brookings Institute. Another 'famous' Sr. Fellow at Brookings is Michael OHanlon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...


Actually, (0.00 / 0)
Barack Obama's number one foreign policy advisor, and the one form whom he takes his cues on US-Pakistan policy, is none other than Joe Biden.

[ Parent ]
Are you saying this because you know this first-hand (0.00 / 0)
or because he selected Joe as his VP or because Tony Blinken went on the Middle East/Europe tour with him or all of the above?

Just curious.  :-)

Make wars unprofitable and you make them impossible.
~A. Philip Randolph



[ Parent ]
I am saying this because... (0.00 / 0)
Joe Biden is the leader among Democrats - and Republicans, for that matter - on foreign policy, national security, and the judiciary whose credentials in those realms are second to none.

And, I don't think that Senator Biden would have taken the job unless he believed he would be able to exert some influence on the direction of US foreign policy, especially with respect to Iraq. I do know that he received some assurances from Senator Obama that his views on these subjects would receive fair consideration as he explained in the 60 Minutes interview.

Hey! Are you still displaying your 'Biden for President' bumper sticker?  :-)


[ Parent ]
Just because Military Spouses for Change cannot endorse a candidate (0.00 / 0)
doesn't mean I can't!

It is so funny because of all the hell I caught when I was supporting Biden for president and now he is the VP nominee.  

Both me and my husband still have the Biden for President bumper stickers on them (and we live on post no less).  I added an Obama/Biden magnet to my car after the DNCC (no point w DH's car b/c he is in Iraq...)

Make wars unprofitable and you make them impossible.
~A. Philip Randolph



[ Parent ]
I understand VetVoice also cannot or will not endorse a candidate. (0.00 / 0)
But that shouldn't stop any of the front page writers around here from pointing out the merits of an Obama/Biden administration. And so, I am glad to see Brandon take that approach with this post and hope to see a lot more of it!

I was pretty much bouncing off the walls when I learned that Obama chose Biden. But, I must say that it has been a bit of an adjustment to reality on my part to accept that Joe Biden isn't at the top of the ticket. I have come to believe, however, that Obama and Biden - and their families - make one helluva team. In fact, I can't remember a team quite like this...ever!

I'm happy to hear that you and your husband are still proudly displaying 'Biden for President' - but the Obama/Biden magnet was a nice touch. :)

I'm not sure who DH is but I wish for their safe and speedy return home.

All the Best,
Elizabeth


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LOL. I am the same way (re Biden as VP...) (0.00 / 0)
DH (btw) is on-line shorthand for dear/damn/dumb/darling husband (whichever the case may be at the moment).  My husband is is DH.  lol.

Make wars unprofitable and you make them impossible.
~A. Philip Randolph



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Yeah, I realized that as soon as I re-read your post and (0.00 / 0)
then I felt like a complete idiot - need to get some sleep!

Once again, best wishes for his safe and very speedy return home.

Look forward to "chatting" with you again.


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Sorry!! (0.00 / 0)
I've got to do this.

I understand VetVoice also cannot or will not endorse a candidate.

I enjoy reading your postings, but come on!

No hard feelings..... OK?


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Ha! (0.00 / 0)
I thought that might get a rise out of you! It is kind of funny when you think about it...

Oh, and there will be no hard feelings just so long as you never say anything bad about Joe Biden ever again...deal?


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Deal! (0.00 / 0)
Not a prob, Elizabeth.  Actually, I don't have "bad" things to say about any of the Prez/V. Prez candidates.  It really bothers me when people go spastic over some politician just because he/she doesn't believe as they do.  Kinda like the problem with religious fanatics who would (almost) kill others for their "disbelief."

Anyway............. Joe Biden rules!  Howz that.


[ Parent ]
That's nice... (0.00 / 0)
Thank-you...thank-you very much.  :-)

[ Parent ]
Our President Cheney/Bush (0.00 / 0)
The current occupant of the White House sucks eggs.  Bush's is the absolute worst to ever occupy 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.  I shall pray for Bush's soul while he is burning in hell.

[ Parent ]
More on the Marriott bombing... (0.00 / 0)
More on the bombing. Czech Ambassador killed, Danish diplomat & (0.00 / 0)
6 Saudis reported missing. US Marines mentioned again.

http://www.gulfnews.com/world/...


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Interesting... if US Marines were staying there, why hasn't (0.00 / 0)
the US said anything about this yet?

Perhaps this will inspire the Pakistani government too work with US forces to fight the Taliban and AQ...

Make wars unprofitable and you make them impossible.
~A. Philip Randolph



[ Parent ]
Pentagon announces TWO US military deaths... (0.00 / 0)
[ Parent ]
McCain is a putz... (0.00 / 0)
McCain is nothing but an old putz tottering on death.  Somehow some people in America think he has qualities that equate to presidential qualifications.  WTF?!?!

I think Obama understands just how serious this is (0.00 / 0)
Al Qaeda and the Taliban have been based in Pakistan for a good while now as we all know.  In fact, Pakistan can be seen as being their fallback position.  It has come to the point now where the Taliban and Al Qaeda have become so strong in Pakistan that if they remain in place Afghanistan never will be anything but a failed state and will be nothing more than a futile effort for the United States.  The Taliban will simply carry out cross border operations deep inside of Afghanistan against  U.S./NATO and allied Afghan interests for as long as needed and at will.  

"Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home."

Marcus Tullius Cicero 106 BC-43 BC


Buying allies (4.00 / 3)
We have to ask how buying allies benefits our cause.  What good does the billions we've given to Pakistan do if the government or the people will not commit to fighting terrorism.  This is killing our economy at home and not doing anything constructive in the long run.  Let's build a constructive, healthy relationship with the Pakistani people, or any country for that matter, before we ask them to die for our safety.  

I agree Bob (0.00 / 0)
However, that may be easier said than done at this point.  The Bush doctrine of Pre emptive War or Pre emptive Strikes is what is preventing that from happening in my opinion.  Because of that doctrine many nations now view the U.S. as being more of a threat to their sovereignty than anything else.  In other words, the Bush doctrine has run into a dead end.  That is probably why the Pakistanis fired upon U.S. helicopters when they attempted to cross the border.  

To change that around, and to persuade allies like Pakistan to assist the U.S. in defeating the Taliban and Al Qaeda may require the scrapping of the Bush doctrine and going with a more diplomatic approach.  Throwing money at allies only encourages corruption and using force all of the time only creates more resentment and enemies over time.  McCain and Palin will be unable to do this because their views are to close to those of the Bush Administration.  Obama and Biden may be able to though.  Obama is a very charismatic man and to a lesser degree, so is Joe Biden.  They may be able to turn things around in the U.S. favor while Al Qaeda and the Taliban will find that they now have numerous enemies to contend with.  

"Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home."

Marcus Tullius Cicero 106 BC-43 BC


[ Parent ]
If Obama/Biden are elected... (4.00 / 3)
...the Bush Doctrine(s) will be dead and relegated to the dust bin of history where it belongs...along with the Bush legacy, I might add.

And, that's just for starters! :-)


[ Parent ]
Very true. And at the end of the day, that's what (4.00 / 2)
matters most!

Make wars unprofitable and you make them impossible.
~A. Philip Randolph



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Fix Pakistan -- if only we could (4.00 / 2)
This:
In a strikingly bold speech about terrorism Wednesday, Democratic presidential candidate Illinois Sen. Barack Obama called not only for a withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, but a redeployment of troops into Afghanistan and even Pakistan -- with or without the permission of Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf.

As many here realize, Pakistan is the new Afghanistan, but more dangerous and powerful.  While it may be easy to say we should roll into Pak., the consequences are unknown and could spell total disaster.  Today's NYTs (and others) had articles about the recent Marriot bombing and how it directly related to our recent incursion.  As they report, more US incursions would further increase retaliations on a bigger scale.

Obama's perspective on the dangers Pakistan poses is correct, but if he takes office in Jan., I doubt he will follow through with his aggressive (military) approach, esp with Iraq left to clean up and Afgh left to stabilize.  However, I credit Obama for realizing where the dangers really are.


Bush's War of Terror (0.00 / 0)
Bush's war of terror in the middle east is based on goddamned lies.  We would not be bogged in quagmires in Afghanistan and Iraq if we had reacted to 9/11 as the crime it is.  Bush's buddies in defense and oil companies are more than happy to keep US in a state of perpetual war.  Our interests in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Iran are based solely upon greed, corruption, and lies.

I can't 'Stan it... (4.00 / 1)
Given the fact that AQ set up shop with the help of ISID in the late 80s,

Given the fact that Mushareff was placating the Taliban and warlords of Afghanistan and the US at the same time...

Given the fact that Pakistan has WMD's

WTF are we still doing in Iraq?



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