Gates: Three more Brigades May Go to Afghanistan

by: Richard Allen Smith

Tue Sep 23, 2008 at 20:12:31 PM EDT



From the AP:

WASHINGTON - Up to three more combat brigades could be available to go to Afghanistan beginning next spring, in answer to repeated calls from commanders for more troops, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Tuesday.

This will more than double the size of the American contingent in Afghanistan. I must say, overall this is a good development, but it requires some realism and further analysis.  

Even Gates acknowledged that this couldn't be accomplished without extending combat tours or sending units designated for Iraq to Afghanistan.  The latter is the key.  This cannot occur without a substantial redeployment of troops from Iraq.

Second, we have to consider the lessons learned from the surge, and I don't mean that in a good way.  Violence dropped during the period designated as "the surge". Its a fact proved by statistics that we can't deny.  There is some debate as to whether this was the product of the surge itself, or the completion of ethnic cleansing.   But ultimately, regardless of the cause in the drop in fatalities, the surge has not achieved its stated goal of creating room for the growth of the Iraqi government.

The problem there is that the troop surge  lacked a comparable surge in assisting the Iraqi government in reconciling its factions and stabilizing governance.  We cannot make this same mistake in Afghanistan.  Three Brigades will go along way towards achieving success in the country.  It will help train a competent and legitimate police force and army.  It will assist in sealing the Pakistani border. It will help hold districts in the South after we have run the Taliban out of them.

But what a troop surge will not do is end the corruption of the Afghan government.  It will not legitimize municipal governments.  It will not assist poor farmers in converting their Taliban funding poppy farms into a legitimate cash crop. It will not create roads, ensure the security of the vital Kajacki Dam.  It will not end Pakistani meddling.  It will not end proxy wars being fought within Afghanistan's boarders, and it will not ensure Pakistan returns the eye that has thus far been blind to the Taliban forces in its own borders. Three more brigades of American troops is a good start, but it won't fix everything.

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Sounded like a 'maybe' to appease Sen. Levin [D-MI] who called (0.00 / 0)
bullshit on Gates during the 'readiness' hearing.  

Posted these related links on the open thread...from the 'foreign' (0.00 / 0)
[ Parent ]
How many (0.00 / 0)
of the 9/11 Hijackers were Afghans?

So if I train to rob a bank (0.00 / 0)
at a friends house, the cops shouldn't go to that house during their investigation.

You are making a ridiculous argument, and I'm pretty sure you know that.

I'm on twitter.


[ Parent ]
Yeah, (0.00 / 0)
but shouldn't the cops go to your house too?

[ Parent ]
That is (0.00 / 0)
assuming that these "cops'" were actually more concerned with serving and protecting, rather than lining their own pockets and making themelves look good.

[ Parent ]
I'm not saying (0.00 / 0)
we shouldn't do something about other nations that support terrorism. But invading Saudi Arabia would be stupid.  We have this thing called "diplomacy" that seems to have been forgotten.

But the Taliban can't be reasoned with.  The Brits have tried diplomacy with them and it didn't work.

I'm on twitter.


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Now, (0.00 / 0)
exactly why would invading Saudi Arabia be stupid?  

[ Parent ]
Are you serious? (0.00 / 0)
Because we haven't given diplomacy a go yet.

Oh, and then there is this.

I'm on twitter.


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Why (0.00 / 0)
exactly are we supposed to give diplomacy another round with the Saudis and not with the Taliban? Would it have anything to do with the fact that the Saudis can afford to buy favors and launch massive PR campaigns?  Or would it have to do with all the money invested by the Saudis in the US economy?

http://www.washtimes.com/news/...


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Fred, I agree that the Saudis are the main problem (0.00 / 0)
But their continued training, service, and support all occur within Afghanistan/Pakistan (and don't forget about Waziristan).  All in all, I think that increasing our committment of troops to Afghanistan is just what AQ does not want us to do.  They would rather see us devote our financial and military resources to Iraq, Iran, Venezuela, etc.  3 combat brigades, as Richard said, is just a start.  But it is a start.

"No U.S. soldier ever dies in vain because they're carrying out the missions of their commander in chief. And we honor all the service that they've provided." - Barack Obama

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I think (0.00 / 0)
they may very well want us to put all our resources into Afghanistan actually. A surge in Afghanistan will cost alot of money, further hitting our economy, the economy likely being bin Laden's main target.  Secondly, there is no guarantee that we will even get into Pakistan. The politicians are talking the talk, but I am not ready to buy into it. Third, terrorist training can be conducted just about anywhere. Refugee camps, the deserts of Saudi Arabia, houses, etc. Lastly, if we were not so intent on pursuing an interventionist foreign policy, AQ would probably not even pose a threat to our national security. The Arab states, I can't guarantee. However, I think it is safe to say that the AQ's and the Arab despots probably deserve each other.  

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I think (0.00 / 0)
we are on the same sheet of music here, but for all we know, bin Laden could be in Yemen.

[ Parent ]
You can send all the combat brigades you want... (0.00 / 0)
...but they wont be able to do a thing without the additional logistics units put behind them.  Add at least one additional brigade of CS/CSS for every 3 combat brigades.  The only problem there are very few CS/CSS assets that have made the move to modularity.  So, guess which units keep getting deployed over and over again.  No report on that though because they are not combat brigades.

yeah almost all you CS/CSS (0.00 / 0)
assets are organic to a brigade combat team now.

I'm on twitter.

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