McCain Overstretches his Support of Veterans and Troops

Tough Love for the Vets (4.00 / 1)

He loves the troops and veterans so much that he thinks that they should pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, that is if they are lucky enough not to have lost their legs.  It's Daddy Mac's tough love approach.

McCain, you are a DISGRACE to this country and to our veterans. How dare you use their names, their sacrifices in VAIN.

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by: bonitatortuga @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 00:28:13 AM CDT

DISGRACE (4.00 / 1)

McCain's time has come and gone.  He may have served time in a POW camp.  Fine.  He's not fit to be our president.

He is now a disgrace.

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by: JD @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 08:37:45 AM CDT

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just stop it already. (4.00 / 2)

This doesn't belong in a blog, it belongs in a 30 second attack ad against jon mccain focusing on his voting record in relation to vet. It's time to kick the bastard where it counts, where he's strong. It's time for "Senator george allen voted against this, and now it's time to vote against him." only, ala mccain.

Not many people read votevets. You're The ONLY people though that can attack a "sitting war hero." and not be destroyed in return. I think it's incumbent upon you to do such. so please, please, please, show some courage. You're soldiers: that's what you're supposed to be all about!

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by: fireinthedawn @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 04:53:31 AM CDT

An (0.00 / 0)

Ad would be ideal, before the fringe group of Vets pops one up, and they will, theirs deep pockets and dirty politics backing them, that's a legacy of War, the handful that are embraced for their own personal gain and dirty money, by those who will use that, remember the 'swifties', they didn't come out of no where, that small group has been around our 'Nam necks since back than!!

Hit back but do it with honest facts!!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson

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by: jimstaro @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 05:00:59 AM CDT

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Maybe a web ad. (4.00 / 1)

This was a quick response by me.
Maybe I can do a web ad.

If someone wants to take my facts and do something else with them, well thats their po.

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by: Brian McGough @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 06:54:08 AM CDT

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Anything (0.00 / 0)

That can be Posted and Sent Around, passed onr, just like sending your comments and any others from these Theaters!

We older Vets can Help but you folks are living the Present that though Resembles the past, it's Your Words and Thoughts that Count, Especially with the words of False 'Support' that have been used since the beginning!!

But actions, words, and thoughts have to come Quickly before the small handful like 'vets for freedom', or whatever they call themselves get out of the gate, they can be corrected but for some their words will be followed. Reason Kerry didn't come back on the 'swifties' like he should have, and some of us didn't neither, couldn't believe people would actually believe them, especially the great majority who don't serve and 'verbally spit' on us, the majority who aren't 'swifties' all these years!!!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson

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by: jimstaro @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 07:43:29 AM CDT

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McCain is NOT a hero (4.00 / 1)

McCain is just another lying, pandering politician.  And not a very good one.

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by: JD @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 08:40:13 AM CDT

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Add This (4.00 / 1)

Watch the video cuts again, and if you notice, which I hadn't but someone just pointed out, McCAIN ISN'T WEARING A FLAG PIN!!!!!!!!!

That 'Unpatriotic', 'Enemy Sympathizer'............................,Old Geezer ain't wearing a 'Flag Pin'!!!!!!!!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson

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by: jimstaro @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 17:13:32 PM CDT

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FLAG PINS (4.00 / 1)

I could not give a shit less if someone wears a flag pin or not.  It does not matter.  

Just like if a Marine carries his "honor, courage, commitment" card.  It does not change one's Marineness if he has one or not.

These are items from the smoke & mirrors shell game bullshit they foist upon US.

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by: JD @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 18:02:45 PM CDT

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Huh....... (4.00 / 1)

That's what Everyone, Especially Us Vets, were saying when it was being made into another of those 'Supper GOP Patriotic Expressions' All Over The MSM!!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson

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by: jimstaro @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 18:19:28 PM CDT

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Brian You're Right.............. (4.00 / 1)

But for the life of me I can't understand why, especially Barack as Presidential Candidate, nobody brings up the 109th Congress!!

All one needs to do is remind that as the Totally Republican Controlled Government were beating the War Drums louder and louder, calling anyone who opposed their aggressive style and extremely weak excuses for invading Iraq Unpatriotic, Enemy Sympathizers , you name it they used it that Not One Of Them Mentioned Military, especially, nor Veterans Care or the VA Budgets. Many of us older Vets saw what many of you, and your brothers and sisters, are now experiencing coming, yet Nobody Cared. Than when the equipment problems arose they in unison pooh poohed any rush funding or oversite and investigations>

Some would say that the Dems were complicent to all that, but those that would forget that the Dems were Blocked Over and Over from even having or demanding Hearings.

You could go on and on, but the bottom line is Everyone Running for Federal Office should be Bringing Up that Total Control and Non-Want to Pay Attention To What The Results Of Their Aggressive Policies of Wars of Choice were going to bring!!  

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson

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by: jimstaro @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 04:56:09 AM CDT

In Short....... (0.00 / 0)

Anytime a repug mentions how Great the Troops are in these Theaters or how much they Support the Military and Veterans, They Should Be Hammered With Their Extreme Lack Of For site and Unconcern!!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson

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by: jimstaro @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 05:06:11 AM CDT

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Jon was on Rachel Maddow addressing this issue very effectively. (4.00 / 1)

Rachel was on VERY late last night.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21...

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by: deMeme @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 08:27:30 AM CDT

McCain's history in MIA/POW affairs (4.00 / 1)

I think it's despicable how John McCain can just detach himself from our veterans and troops.  I recently did some research on his behavior against the families of MIAs and POWs, who only wanted the federal government to help them to bring their loved ones home from Indochina.  Dead or alive, they just wanted to know what happened to bring some closure or retrieve them. John McCain was the lead ringer in a trumped up committee that was suppose to handle the MIA/POW affairs. I was appalled at how he antagonized these people, who were also instrumental in bringing him home. The National Alliance of Families went before this "committee" beseeching the release of classified records, crucial in solving the mystery of the MIAs. I implore you all to do some research. There are also some videos on You Tube, as well.

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by: Tell It! @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 08:28:51 AM CDT

This debate was origninally billed as "Foreign Policy"... (4.00 / 1)

McCain threw in the emotional "I am the friend of the Vet" thing at the very end when there was no chance for rebuttal. Gotta think that this was a very well "planned" volley.

Seems to me that he switched from noun-verb-POW to this line of BS.

It will totally distracted from his long history of refighting his Vietnam war. You know he told us how it feels to fight a 'losing' war.

The foreign policy debate should have been on the long history of the McCain-GOP using a policy that has failed. Sanctions, sanctions, sanctions and selective arms sales. It has ruined economies of fragile nations that gives extremists-terrorists fertile ground. This includes Pakistan.

And his BS on the success of the Surge citing "Iraq is going to have elections" that went unchallenged. No PSA, no resolution of deBaathification, failed-budget busting reconstruction, ethnic cleansing, Bremer Walls, Kuwait pissed off because of the US arms sales to Iraq, Turkey still attacking separatist Kurds... and that election is not a done deal with the Kirkuk issue still not settled. Besides they were scheduled for Oct. 1, 2008. Now, we have a maybe of by the end of the year.

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by: deMeme @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 08:56:31 AM CDT

He made (0.00 / 0)

Mention near the beginning as well.

And I'm still puzzled as to why Dems or Indies aren't blasting the GOP ideology, especially in recent years, as to Vets and Military, and if running against incumbents!!  

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson

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by: jimstaro @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 09:30:25 AM CDT

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Are you referring to the "Bracelet" exchange? (0.00 / 0)

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by: deMeme @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 09:34:10 AM CDT

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Nope (0.00 / 0)

Before that, he mentioned Veterans.

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson

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by: jimstaro @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 12:02:50 PM CDT

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Nope (0.00 / 0)

Before that, he mentioned Veterans.

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson

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by: jimstaro @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 12:02:50 PM CDT

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You just hit the proverbial nail squarely on the head! (4.00 / 1)

It is the GOP ideology that should be blasted at every opportunity...just like Joe Biden did at the Friday Firehouse Fish Fry in Wisconsin.

Here is the link for the video but you have to scroll down through to the third page.

http://my.barackobama.com/page...

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by: Elizabeth Miller @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 10:19:06 AM CDT

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Biden on MSNBC last night had more impact. (0.00 / 0)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21...

Politically, one needs to separate what is said at a stump speech rallying the base and how one appeals to indies and undecideds in a nationally televised debate.

Looking to the VP debates, I really hope that Joe justs baits Armageddon Sarah into running her clap-trapper and hanging herself. Just keep asking her questions as she just loves to do a bunch of splainin'. Joe doesn't need to hit her over the head with the shovel, he just needs to keep handing it to her, letting her dig her own hole deeper.

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by: deMeme @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 10:52:25 AM CDT

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That's the thing about Biden... (4.00 / 1)

...his stump speeches are not political in the sense of rallying the base etc. etc....and there is not a cynical bone in his body. That's why I think so many people just don't get what Joe Biden is all about - they see him through a thick lens of cynicism.

Don't get me wrong, though...I'm as cynical as the next person...with very good reason! But, I can tell the real deal when I see it and Joe Biden, for as long as I have been following his career, has proven that he is the absolute real deal...whether he is on the stump, in the Senate, or talking to a audience who are decidedly not the base!

In other words, there is only one Joe Biden - what you see is what you get, no matter the circimstances. I can't think of many who are more honest, candid, and straightforward and who simply tells the people what they NEED to hear.

As for the VP debate, I'm still not convinced that it will actually happen. But, if it does...oh,man...hold on to your hats!

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by: Elizabeth Miller @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 12:24:58 PM CDT

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Actually, I thought that Obama did with "the you were wrong" (4.00 / 2)

litany pretty well and other times hit fairly subtly.

Also, I look at Obama and see someone who is able to go forward with diplomacy and consensus building. While I see McBristle as a my way or the highway "Bomberann". The Obama personality is what we need to get our whole international act back together and regain a position of strength.

Two things that I wish Obama would have mentioned more was that "Earmarks" are a fart in a whirlwind of GOP over-spending and McDeregulator with failure to fund and staff regulatory agencies are at the heart of the problem along with his Grammawhiner economic philosophy.

But time was of essence.  

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by: deMeme @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 10:41:02 AM CDT

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I think Obama did a good job (4.00 / 2)

especially on foreign policy.  He continued to link the problems the continued Iraq conflict has created for the U.S. military to other operations that the U.S. military is currently involved in.  This needed to be done.  McCain always tries to give the appearance that Iraq has no effect on the U.S. military's capablility to respond to other threats such as in Afghanistan but we all know that it does.  Because of this, McCain came off as oblivious to other real or potential threats to U.S. interests that the military may have to deal with.  Obama did a great job in framing McCain as being totally fixed on Iraq and it showed.  

"Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home."

Marcus Tullius Cicero 106 BC-43 BC

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by: mettycat @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 15:11:24 PM CDT

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Debate full transcript with a video link here: (4.00 / 1)

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI...

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by: deMeme @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 09:05:47 AM CDT

Liar, liar pants on fire, McCain (0.00 / 0)

I was so upset last night during the debate when it turned to our soliders and vets and to hear all the lies McCain dared to tell. If America votes for him, they deserve him. My intention is out there for Senator Obama to win.  He seems sincere and gets it re: Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc., etc.  When he brought up the POW thing at the end I wanted to scream out the number of dead and wounded from our CURRENT WARS.  

I have to believe that something extraordinary is possible. (Mrs. John Nash)

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by: matthewsmom @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 18:00:11 PM CDT

I wish Barack (0.00 / 0)

I wish Barack would have called him on his bullshit.  Because that is what it was, bullshit.  My first thoughts were oh lord I gotta go on to vetvoice cuz I know they know what's up.  It pissed me off even more that he all the sudden said he loves vets.  

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by: dawn_misayo @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 20:39:29 PM CDT

McCain's pandering about veterans was disgusting (4.00 / 4)

After watching John McCain in the last night's debate pander about how much he cared about veterans, I found his statements so disingenuous I decided to put together this video highlighting the hypocrisy of his words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

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by: inlookout @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 21:06:27 PM CDT

Here Ya Go (4.00 / 2)

Great job, Great Ad, Pass It Around, Post it on other boards and your own Sites

More needed to be made, Visuals Work Better Than Just Typed Words, especially to the simple minded 19% that support the bush!!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson

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by: jimstaro @ Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 05:23:36 AM CDT

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Absolutely outstanding video!!! (4.00 / 1)

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by: Gage @ Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 07:38:47 AM CDT

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Just Posted (0.00 / 0)

It and more, also here over to the right, on a Number of Boards along with mine, Pass It On and Tell the Receivers to do same, I did that also!!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson

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by: jimstaro @ Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 08:39:27 AM CDT

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I wish I had half a clue (0.00 / 0)

about putting together a video like that! Bravo!

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by: Elizabeth Miller @ Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 10:51:37 AM CDT

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Great Video! (0.00 / 0)

I have sent it along to our group at Blue Star Families for Obama at www.bsf4o.com to help make it viral....has anyone sent in to Veterans for Obama?

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by: bonitatortuga @ Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 12:20:24 PM CDT

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very nice (0.00 / 0)

GJ, Inlookout!

I would also add his lackluster rating by VFW.

"I love our veterans , in name only and as only expedient for me to inflate my wartime president credentials"

Or perhaps another tack- make it "close caption" for the Veranly Impaired"

Truth only hurts the liar.

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by: 911witness @ Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 13:52:08 PM CDT

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McCain distortions about his support for vets (0.00 / 0)

I'm livid about the distortions John McCain made last night in the first Presidential debate about his "support" for veterans.  I put my thoughts on my blog and added your post to do what I can to get the word out about this very disingenuous candidate, John McCain.  I'm not a veteran.  As a former professional trumpet player, I've played Taps at too many military ceremonies honoring the supreme sacrifice of our fine men and women.  No one should dishonor our vets.  No one.  Thank you for all you do.  I salute you and offer you my thanks.
Democrat Dave (http://democratdave.wordpress.com)

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by: DemocratDave @ Sat Sep 27, 2008 at 22:52:49 PM CDT

Shame on you, Brian. (0.00 / 0)

McCain understands the plight of veterans like no other. My God, he only has seven houses! What do you want from him?!

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by: Gage @ Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 07:11:35 AM CDT

Besides... (0.00 / 0)

...Wall Street is in need of money. Why should vets' benefits be of any concern when mortgage bankers all over the country are about to lose their Guccis?!

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by: Gage @ Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 07:14:38 AM CDT

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Soldier's Mother "Ecstatic" (4.00 / 1)

about Obama's Bracelet

She criticized Internet reports that suggested Obama exploited her son for political purposes.

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson

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by: jimstaro @ Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 17:41:04 PM CDT

cawfee tawk (0.00 / 0)

He only loves the vets that are fellow POW's- Swindle and Coffee ( man that sounds like a caffeinated law firm!) are his staunchest supporters. I met Jerry, he's a decent guy, but like McCain is blinded by his own bias.

yeah John, you were in a shithole for five years- we got that. That was 40 years ago.

What about all the others who have been in the same place since then?

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by: 911witness @ Mon Sep 29, 2008 at 09:39:53 AM CDT