U.S. Commander in Afghanistan Rejects McCain's "Surge" Idea

by: Brandon Friedman

Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 14:54:56 PM EDT


John McCain says he knows how to win wars.  Unfortunately, he's yet to do that at any point in his life.  So I'm not sure where he gets the idea.  But in one of McCain's most recent bouts with pomposity--and in his ongoing delusion of military expertise--he's provided us with two key quotes about how he thinks we should reverse the deteriorating situation in Afghanistan.  In fact, he wants us to use the Iraq "surge" to win there:

"Senator Obama refuses to acknowledge that we are winning in Iraq . . . That's what's happening in Iraq, and it wasn't a tactic . . . It was a stratagem. And that same strategy will be employed in Afghanistan by this great general."

"Senator Obama calls for more troops, but what he doesn't understand, it's got to be a new strategy, the same strategy that he condemned in Iraq. It's going to have to be employed in Afghanistan."

That was last Friday, during the first presidential debate.  And it was yet another example of John McCain stepping up to bloviate on military topics for which he has no frame of reference.  So much so, that the commander of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan, General David McKiernan, was compelled to respond to the idea on Tuesday:

First of all, please don't think that I'm saying there's no room for tribal engagement in Afghanistan, because I think it's very necessary. But I think it's much more complex environment of tribal linkages, and intertribal complexity than there is in Iraq. It's not as simple as taking the Sunni Awakening and doing the Pashtun Awakening in Afghanistan. It's much more complex than that.

But there are countless other differences between Iraq and Afghanistan. In Afghanistan, it's such a poor country, by any set of metrics you can imagine. A country that has very harsh geography. It's very difficult to move around, getting back to our reliance on helicopters. It's a country with very few natural resources, as opposed to the oil revenues that (Iraq) has. There's very little money to be generated in terms of generated in Afghanistan. The literacy rate -- you have a literate society in Iraq, you have a society that has a history of producing civil administrators, technocrats, middle class that are able to run the country in Iraq. You do not have that in Afghanistan. So there's educational challenges, challenges of human capitol that I mentioned earlier.

And then McKiernan drove his point home:

So there are a lot of challenges. What I don't think is needed -- the word that I don't use in Afghanistan is the word "surge." There needs to be a sustained commitment of a variety of military and non-military resources, I believe. That's my advice to winning in Afghanistan. It won't be a short-term solution

But McKiernan didn't stop there.  According to Ann Scott Tyson of the Washington Post:

Another facet of the Iraq strategy that McKiernan doubts can be duplicated in Afghanistan is the U.S. military's programs to recruit tribes to oppose insurgents.

And, while not part of the surge strategy itself, this successfully implemented counterinsurgency strategy is what John McCain really means when he says "surge"--even though he's never been able to really distinguish between the two.

So, essentially, McKiernan is implying that when a guy who's never before participated in a counterinsurgency operation says this:

You should probably start looking elsewhere for advice.

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Surge in (0.00 / 0)
Afghanistan? I have two words to describe that idea. In Sane. Then again, if there is no guarantee that we can get into Pakistan or deal with Saudi, maybe we should just bring all the troops home from Afghanistan as well.  

Surge... (0.00 / 0)

Counter-inSURGE-ency.


Damn. (0.00 / 0)
McKiernan knows his Afghanistan all-right, but I don't like what he said: "It won't be a short-term solution."  I don't know the alternative,but spending more billion$ and troop-power in the Mid-East is getting old.  And we haven't even finished Iraq yet.

I hope OB is all that we think he is -- he hasn't really stepped up enough about the Mid East, except for the "more troops" mantra.


The funny thing is ... (0.00 / 0)
that, as I understand it, we didn't so much "recruit" tribes as we did accept their change of heart when they decided paying Sadr's people protection money every week didn't work for them ... and figured out Al Qaeda didn't exactly share their views on how to live.  


Brandon, you outlined here - very succinctly - why (0.00 / 0)
the General must privately be hoping for a surge of support for the ticket of intelligence and competence and a robust Obama/Biden victory in November.

So, Elizabeth.... (0.00 / 0)
Are you going to watch the Biden/Palin debate tonight??  Naw, couldn't be!  ;-))

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Oh, I'll probably take a peak....hehehehehehehe (0.00 / 0)


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Reject McCain (0.00 / 0)
Let's just reject McCain and Palin.  And Obama.

Nader/Gonzalez 2008

Peace...


Absolutely (0.00 / 0)
I think the third parties need to make some serious noise. Well, I will be writing in Paul/Ventura.

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I think that in this environment... (0.00 / 0)
Those two would have a chance.  Ventura is a great speaker, and he'd able to put things in common sense terms.  Plus, he'd probably be able to win the coveted "trailer park livin', beer drinkin' rasslin' fan" demographic, and Paul could take a large share of the folks that are fed up with the two parties making promises but putting us further into debt and keeping our military tied up around the world.  
Seriously though, as someone who is campaigning for one of the parties now, I'd really consider that ticket.  I've got some serious disagreements on libertarian policies towards education and helping the poor, but I will continue to believe that Ron Paul has more integrity than everyone else in congress put together.      

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How about an (0.00 / 0)
established parties vs Independents ticket? Webb/Hagel vs Paul/Ventura. That would truly be a dream ticket.

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Palin quoted "Gen. McClellan" in the debate tonight.... (0.00 / 0)
and tried to do the "McCain loves and supports the troops".

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