McCain's Wife Sets Combat Vets Back 30 Years with PTSD Remark

by: Brandon Friedman

Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 03:34:33 AM EDT


All the work we've done to mainstream PTSD as a combat injury . . . to educate people . . . to normalize it.  And Cindy McCain goes and pisses it away in nine sentences:

Q: You met your husband after his POW days. To what extent is that still with you - or is it a part of history?

CINDY McCAIN: My husband will be the first one to tell you that that's in the past. Certainly it's a part of who he is, but he doesn't dwell on it. It's not part of a daily experience that we experience or anything like that. But it has shaped him. It has made him the leader that he is.

Q: But no cold sweats in the middle of the night?

CINDY McCAIN: Oh, no, no, no, no, no. My husband, he'd be the first one to tell you that he was trained to do what he was doing. The guys who had the trouble were the 18-year-olds who were drafted. He was trained, he went to the Naval Academy, he was a trained United States naval officer, and so he knew what he was doing.

First off, she's in absolute denial.  She's talking about the guy who referred to "my fellow Americans" on Wednesday as "my fellow prisoners."  So don't give us the bullshit about how "he doesn't dwell on it."  John McCain doesn't dwell on being a POW like 19-year-old guys don't dwell on sex.  If you need a refresher, here's the video:

Second, what's with the royalty crap about the Naval Academy?  What an obnoxious, elitist remark.  Are naval aviators supposed to be immune from combat trauma?  Seeing as how those in the Navy have always received less substantive combat training than soldiers and marines, I'm not sure I follow the reasoning here.

Third, let's again cut through the bullshit about his "elite" level of training.  You'd think if being "a trained United States naval officer" was such a big deal, that "Crash" wouldn't have flown three of his planes into the ground--before he ever got to Vietnam.  I've worked closely with dozens of young, high school-educated infantrymen who could maintain their equipment and do their jobs far more proficiently.  And none of them went to the Academy.

Finally, I'm not even sure where to begin with the idea that only young draftees get hit with PTSD.  That statement is so Palin-esque in its breadth of ignorance that if you said it in a room full of soldiers, you'd be able to hear a pin drop at the end of, "so he knew what he was doing."   In two sentences, Cindy McCain manages to insult not only every combat veteran in history who didn't attend the Naval Academy, but also the thousands of veterans who quietly live their lives, tolerating PTSD each and every day.  I really should expand on this as the centerpiece of my post, but it makes my head hurt to really think about the implications of the comment.  So I'll leave it to readers to fill that idea out.

Perhaps we at least know now why John McCain votes against veterans: Like his wife, maybe he's completely separated himself from the experience.  If true, that would be terribly sad in more ways than one.

Anyway, Jon Soltz went on Countdown with Keith Olbermann last night to discuss Cindy McCain's remarks.  He articulated it much better than I would have.  I'll leave you all with that:

(H/T to dm)

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That was a very interesting and informative interview with Jon Soltz... (4.00 / 1)
...and, hopefully, we won't have to worry about what Cindy or John McCain would or would not do in the White House!

We have had 8 years of ignorance and denial to recover from - it's time to elect serious people who understand serious issues.  


Pilots and PTSD............... (0.00 / 0)
I've known Pilots, doing same as John in our same Conflict, one is my brother-in-law brother, never met one Who Didn't Get Captured who suffers with PTSD, they still embrace and joke about their bombing and strafing runs, Captured Pilots are a different story and their PTSD doesn't come about from actually being a part of the Conflict, they never see up close and personal the damage done, theirs comes about by their Captivity, their Treatment, their Isolation, in 'Nam the Continuing Carpet Bombing going on around them and more!!

There's another breed of Pilot that Frankly are the Hero's of the Military Profession. And those are the Chopper Pilots! I've known these Pilots who, like the grunts on the ground living the Hell, suffer from Combat PTSD, from their experiances and what they've seen and done, think My Lai!!

The ground soldier and the civilians Occupied suffer the degree's of PTSD through what their experiences and the heightened stress of 24/7 occupation and possible direct combat bring to many And They Are Not Just The Draftee's of 'Nam, of which We No Longer Have A Draft and haven't since 'Nam.

In our present Occupations in Two Theaters, many who might not suffer from devastating cases of PTSD Will with the Multiple Deployments and the Stop Loss contributed to being sent Over and Over into either Theater of Operations or Both!!!!

Cindy McCain lives in Denial has does the Majority of the People on this Planet as to what Wars do to the Human Minds but Not Only War, Civilians suffer greatly from PTSD developed through Extreme Traumatic Events in their Lives!!!  

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson


Veterans of Today (0.00 / 0)
Now understand what Us 'Nam Vets have been up against, along with the Veterans of our other Conflicts and Occupations, once PTSD was Finally Recognized, Soltz was Right but it's over 30years of Battling and for many Vets way over 30years!!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson

OMG! (4.00 / 1)
This makes me so angry.  I've always known that McCain was a military elitist, as in he doesn't understand anyone who wasn't as priveleged as him when he grew up, which would be the majority of the military that can't pay for college, much less go to the Naval Academy.

Anyway, total and complete ignorance on both their parts, I hope this explodes in the media and I don't want Obama to go low-ball like McCain is (Ayers anyone), but if he does I hope he does it on this!


SHIT! (4.00 / 1)
If only I had gone to the Naval Academy, I wouldn't jump when the fireworks went off.

I'm on twitter.

The Trick Is (0.00 / 0)
Found in the Dorm parties at the Academies and the number of Kegs.  

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson

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Really well said Jon and Brandon (0.00 / 0)
I guess the huge ring they give you actually deflects psychological damage that other, unprotected souls are exposed to. (oh snap!)

In all seriousness, a few of the best Marine officers I know were Boat School grads and they'd be the first to tell you this is total crap.


Excellent Response by VoteVets (4.00 / 1)
Jon did an amazing job on Countdown - I would have been incoherent with rage at the human equivalent of a "Support Our Troops" yellow ribbon bumper sticker that are John &  Cindy McCain.

It is so horribly sad that she and her husband are so willfully ignorant of the stresses and conditions faced by our men and women in combat. Education, age, and privilege do not insulate you from PTSD. She will most likely be disabused of that notion when her children return from their tours.

Thanks to Senators Biden and Webb at least they will have body armour to wear while there and access to counsleing when they return.  


BTW (0.00 / 0)
Still angry about this 13 hours later . . . must be that darned PTSD, if only I had gone to the Naval Academy . . .

BTW Brandon, why were you reading Marie Claire?


I totally did not find this myself. (0.00 / 0)
I read it in dm's diary.  He found it on ThinkProgress.

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Likely story (0.00 / 0)
for the both of you's.

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Sometimes a man just likes to know which (4.00 / 1)
outfits are slimming this season...

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