Why A Powell Endorsement Would Matter

by: Jon Soltz

Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 15:06:08 PM EDT


If reports are true that Colin Powell will endorse Senator Obama this weekend on Meet the Press, it may be a huge moment that gives a further shot of credibility into the arm of the Obama campaign.

I know that many progressives are upset with the role Powell played leading up to the war in Iraq.  And, there's no doubt that Powell showed poor judgment in believing the fudged intelligence presented to him, which he then presented to the United Nations.  At the same time, however, we do have evidence that Powell tried behind the scenes to change things and even prevent going to war.  In this, he can be a powerful advocate for Obama, noting that for all the talk of lack of experience, Barack Obama was right on the Iraq war, and showed better judgment than the entire Bush administration, himself included.

Powell has been open about some of his own culpability, for presenting bad information to the UN, and accepts the fact that it will be a stain on his record, telling a reporter, "Of course it will. It's a blot. I'm the one who presented it on behalf of the United States to the world, and (it) will always be part of my record. It was painful. It's painful now."

I'm not excusing Colin Powell for doing what he did.  But, at the same time, him being one of the few who was in the White House during that time puts him in a unique position - to say he's been there and seen what happens when intelligence is no good and twisted, when we go into a war for the wrong reasons and in the wrong way, and that he's confident that Barack Obama is the guy to not only fix those mistakes, but to not repeat them.

For example, even if he doesn't bring it up on Meet the Press, we know through Bob Woodward's accounting of the lead-up to the war that Powell tried to dissuade the President from going to war, and battled it out with Donald Rumsfeld about the size of the force we planned to send in once the decision was made; arguing for a larger force that would lead to fewer SNAFUs during the invasion, and a better chance at keeping control of the country, post-invasion.

We know that he warned the President, to no avail, of the Pottery Barn rule - You Break It, You Own It - and tried to sound the siren that the occupation would not be easy, and that there was no clear exit plan.  We know that Powell duked it out over the use of torture with members of the administration, and knew how it would reduce our standing in the world, and only encourage our enemies to torture those troops of ours that they captured.

In short, while we may criticize Powell for not resigning from the administration if he had strong objections to the war, it's clear that he did fight a lot behind the scenes, and he can imply (if not explicitly say) that he would have rather had Barack Obama as President during those months, so we never would have gone to war with Iraq to begin with.

Further, Powell can add a strong voice to some key points that Obama has been making, moving ahead.  First and foremost, Powell was one of five former Secretaries of State who said we should open up lines of communication with our enemies, without preconditions, to step up the diplomatic efforts to settle the ongoing strife in the Middle East.

Second, Powell has made clear that talking to Iran and Syria is an urgent component to ending this war in the right and responsible way.  Reported The Times of London, "Powell believes that a reduction in US forces will have to be accompanied by talks with Syria and Iran. "You have to talk to the people you dislike most in this dangerous world."

And, of course, all of this doesn't even account for the fact that this is the former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs - a man who loves America and loves America's military.  For all the smears being hurled about "palling around with terrorists" and "white flag of retreat," nothing can counter that like a Republican former 4-star coming out and saying "This guy loves America as much as me."

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Sounds like a 'hype' to promote MTP... (4.00 / 1)
just sayin'.

What if Powell backs McCain?

Just heard McCain, standing between Lieberman and Cindy, ranting at a rally in FL [Miami Dade] promising a "FREE CUBA".

Does that mean that the fake Teddy Roosevelt wants to charge up San Juan Hill, reclaim the US's honor for loosing the Bay of Pigs, and expand Gitmo? Can we add that to McCain's sacred mission of reclaiming the 'lost honor' of the Military in Vietnam? The promise of a 100 years in Iraq and an even longer war in Afghanistan with advice from Richard Armitage?

Just hope that Powell doesn't 'disappoint', again.



Well (0.00 / 0)
I would like to see a free Cuba. I hate those Communist sons of bitches with all my heart. However, from a rational standpoint, a free Cuba should not involve any direct US intervention.  

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Hey, Fred! (0.00 / 0)
You would agree, though, that a competent diplomatic effort wrapped up within a smart foreign policy is NOT the equivalent of "direct US intervention" as you imply it to mean, wouldn't you?

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Diplomatic effort (0.00 / 0)
on its own is hardly direct US intervention. The main problem is that we keep getting dragged into interventions and permanent alliances. Well, that and our foreign policy is hardly looking out for our interests right now.

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I knew we were on the same page...I just knew it! :-) (0.00 / 0)


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Well (4.00 / 2)
I think most rational people in this country are on the same page. Less wars, less government, less BS.

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and if (4.00 / 1)
war is necessary, we do it WWII style. Everything revolves around the troops and we do everything necessary to win the war as quickly as possible, for the sake of National Security and the troops.  

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OMG (0.00 / 0)
Don't get me all excited, can't wait for Sunday morning.

If I knew ... (0.00 / 0)
how to post a picture into my message, I'd post my WMD artwork that has Bush-Cheney-Wolfwitz standing on a platform that's squashing Powell.   (I sent email to Lindsay to ask how, if possible; I see folks posting videos, so I figure it's technically possible.)

Anyhooo....

I don't know how much of an impact it would really have.  All the republicans would do is ridicule or dismiss it, if they said anything at all, e.g., he's doing a Scott McClellan or, more likely, "just because he's black too."  

Like McCranky, no one's doubting Powell loves America ... but I won't get past my anger that he allowed himself to be played-used so.  I don't hold him to a higher standard than anyone else involved either.  He had access to the proper unaltered intelligence and either chose not to look at it or, worse, went along to get along.  I won't give him a pass for that, any more than I can the others.  


This would be a huge blow to McCain (0.00 / 0)
If Gen. Powell endorses Obama then McCain's whole military and foreign policy experience platform that he constantly uses against Obama would fall right through the floor.  For all of Powell's faults as a civilian working for the Bush Administration, his past military service, rank, and the positions of command that he once held cannot be denied.  He is still highly respected for those reasons  by many veterans and the active duty military.  A Gen. Powell endorsement for Obama would have to be the one of the worst things that McCain could imagine.  

"Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home."

Marcus Tullius Cicero 106 BC-43 BC


war criminals do need defending (0.00 / 0)
We live in a Democracy.  We believe in justice.  I believe war criminals don't deserve to participate in society.  The actions of Powell canceled any conduct or behavior or good intentions he might have had at some previous point in time.  Powell is a war criminal, and he needs defending in the world criminal court.

Alot (0.00 / 0)
of us dont believe in true justice and if I participated in an illegal war, then I am a war criminal as well. But hey, good luck to anyone who wants to prevent me from participating in society.  

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This could be very interesting...on a number of levels! (4.00 / 1)
I agree that Colin Powell's endorsement of Senator Obama would be a big deal, indeed. It will definitely be perceived as giving "a further shot of credibility" to the Obama campaign...not to say, of course, that Obama, with Biden at his side, should be perceived to be in need of such a boost in credibility - on the Iraq war or on any other critical issue, for that matter. On the other hand, we need all the help we can get!

As you imply, Secretary of State Powell fought the good fight but was up against a rock solid neocon coalition in the White House and beyond, hellbent on war, at a time when few understood  how this incompetent crew had already won the battle within and held sway over the President...despite claims to the contrary by President Bush himself that he had not yet decided that war would, in the end, be necessary.

As for the progressives...I have concluded that many of them don't understand the first thing about what lead up to the invasion of Iraq and are not capable of determining what distinguishes good judgement from bad or even what mistakes were made.

And, many of them certainly do not understand what the October 2002 resolution authorizing the use of US military force in Iraq (AUMF) was all about, and they probably never will. What they fail to comprehend is that a vote for this resolution cannot be equated with a "vote for war". To do so is to betray a fundamental misunderstanding of what that resolution was all about and of the context within which that vote took place. Suffice to say that a vote for the AUMF resolution is more accurately described as the last chance for a march to peace and not a rush to war. Of course, we know now that President Bush flat out lied to members of Congress, like Senator Biden, when he said that war was not inevitable and that he had not made a decision to pursue that course. (We need to remember that, in October 2002, the President's word still had meaning.)

It will, without much doubt, be very difficult for Colin Powell to live down his notorious performance before the UN Security Council and the world, even if he does endorse Obama/Biden. But he will have no chance, whatsoever, of regaining what is possible of his reputation if he does not. In other words, if General Powell does not endorse Obama/Biden, then he should probably remain silent on the subject of endorsements.

I'll tell you what - with Obama, Biden and Powell, you would certainly have all the bases covered...and then some! And, as for who knows how to fix the mistakes...I wouldn't be surprised if General Powell waxes lyrical about what Senator Biden has been advocating, for more than three years, to end the war in Iraq by promoting a sustainable political settlement based on federalism and Iraq's constitution. Considering the relationship between these three amigos, I'm thinking it may be a distinct and welcome possibility that there may be a SecDef Powell in the not too distant future. In fact, I'd like to see Senator Obama make that announcement well before the 4th of November!



Powell helped, in a very dekiberate way, (0.00 / 0)
to cover up the truth of the events at My Lai.

He did so to advance his career.

Powell would never hold up under close scrutiny.

He has always sold out to higher authority.

His endorsement of Obama is, in my opinion, one that Obama does not need and should not seek.


Powell to endorse (4.00 / 1)
I agree with all the points you made.  I would be delighted to see General Colin Powell support my candidate Barack Obama.  I already voted yesterday and feel so good about my choice.

I have to believe that something extraordinary is possible. (Mrs. John Nash)

Just Breaking!!! (4.00 / 1)
Colin Powell endorses Barack Obama, google is starting to grab them, all are just popping up shortly after 9:30 AM Sunday 10-19-08.

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson

I just saw that a bit ago to (4.00 / 1)
This is great news.  There are those however who simply cannot get past Powell's display at the UN and his involvment in the Iraq war.  They need to look back further and recall that Powell was a Commanding General who rose up through the ranks and is still well respected by the military and by most veterans.  Not to mention the fact that he was a former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.  

Powell's endorsement of Obama speaks volumes.  He could have easily endorsed a fellow veteran who has years of foreign policy experience yet he did not.  I think Powell saw in Obama what years of military or foreign policy experience cannot teach.  He saw in Obama sound judgment, wisdom and the forsight needed to anticipate problems before they arise.  McCain has always lacked those abilities.  He only sees problems  like those in Pakistan or Afghanistan when it obviously to late to act.  There are many things experience can't buy and judgment is just one of them.  Powell's endorsement is exactly what Obama needed.

"Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home."

Marcus Tullius Cicero 106 BC-43 BC


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To Tell (4.00 / 2)
ya the truth I'm one who can't get past the UN debacle, I watched it and couldn't believe that he thought that was going to be sold to anyone with an intelligent mind and paying attention to the monies spent on intelligence gathering technology we've been told about over the years, But They Bought It!!

Also can't get past his involvement as a junior officer in 'Nam as to being staff and My Lai and other numerous incidents!!

But he does get my respect, unlike others that totally turn on a dime, he does have the standards of an elder from the ranks of military and statesman, and I'm not perfect.

But He Could Have Helped Us Alot In Our Trying To Stop Iraq From Happening, and I think he knows that and has been trying to do penance for, that isn't bringing the endorsement, but him trying to help this nation according to his military oath is!!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson


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I agree with every point you made Jim (4.00 / 1)
Especially when it comes to Powell's past.  I cannot forgive Powell for any of it.  Its his baggage and it will follow him wherever he goes and no matter what he does.  Eventhough that is the case I still can appreciate what Powell's endorsement brings to the Obama campaign and from my perspective it can only help Obama in the long run.  The only thing Obama has to do now is to ensure that none of Powell's past rubs off on  him and you know the far right will do everything they can to make sure that happens.

"Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home."

Marcus Tullius Cicero 106 BC-43 BC


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I'm Watching it now........... (0.00 / 0)
And he's been making a Number of Real Good Relevant Points.

But His description of the picture of the Mother with her head on her Sons Gravestone and that Mother is a GoldStar Mom who Lost Her Son in these Debacles of Occupations and that He and She are Muslim and his explanation of that to him and what his Party Has Been Spreading He Just Made Points, if there are explanations for our actions on this planet when we leave it, he helped in whatever he might have done in the past.



'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson


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We've heard a lot about "game changers" in this campaign... (4.00 / 2)
...I would suggest that this endorsement is the real deal in the realm of game changers!

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I agree (4.00 / 1)
This is a real game changer.  To get an endorsement by a well respected former General  is an achievement.  But to get that endorsement over another veteran who has years of foreign policy experience is monumental.  This has to come as a real slap in the face to McCain.  

"Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home."

Marcus Tullius Cicero 106 BC-43 BC


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I can just hear it now (4.00 / 1)
McCain will get back on the stump and state that he knows how to win wars due to his years of military and foreign policy experience.  Then, someone will come right back with "Really?  Apparently General Powell doesn't think so!"

"Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home."

Marcus Tullius Cicero 106 BC-43 BC


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Absolutely! As far as experience and judgement goes... (4.00 / 2)
in the area of veterans affairs, foreign policy and national security, what we have here is the perfect storm and their names are Obama, Biden and Powell...and McCain is right smack in the middle of the vortex!


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I would also add (4.00 / 2)
That each of those men are equally adapt at diplomacy and are very charismatic.  Those three men alone could move this nation forward in many ways.

"Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home."

Marcus Tullius Cicero 106 BC-43 BC


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Don't Leave (0.00 / 0)
Out Clark, and I can name a few others especially on the veterans affairs area, but the names aren't popping into the head at the moment.

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson

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Well.... I have to say what impressed me the most (4.00 / 2)
this A.M. while watching Powell were his reasons for endorsing Obama and NOT endorsing McCain!

Boots


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This Is (0.00 / 0)
The Colin Powell I Respect

And deserving of Respect!!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson


Greatfully It Will Matter (0.00 / 0)
Even though Powell used bad judgement in his presentation to the U.N. regarding WMD's in Iraq, his knowledge and experience equates to votes. Not just for Dems but for converting undecideds and Repubs who would not question his abilities and experience. There is value in his expertise regardless of his misstep.  

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