Dishonest Opponents Attempt to Lie Murtha Out of Office

by: Richard Allen Smith

Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 17:58:15 PM EST


VoteVets.org has endorsed for reelection Congressman John Murtha in the 12th district of Pennsylvania.  Congressman Murtha served honorably for 37 years in the United States Marine Corps.  In 1974, Murtha became the first Vietnam Veteran elected to congress after he received the Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts in that theater.

Bill Russell, Murtha's challenger this cycle, has a new guest on the stump.  His name is Shawn Bryan, and he claims that Murtha disrespected his service at Haditha when Murtha described the actions of Marines there that allegedly killed innocent civilians:  

During the rally, Shawn Bryan, a former sergeant in the U.S. Marine Corps., said Murtha visited his unit in Iraq in 2005. At the time, Murtha told the troops "what a great job we did," Bryan said, only to see him tell his district back home he no longer supported the effort.

Bryan said he didn't put his life on the line for his country "just so some fat little bastard can come back and run his mouth."

There's one big problem with Shawn's argument here. If you are going to act offended by what you perceive to be an insult, you should probably make sure, first, that the offending party is actually talking about you.  In this case, John Murtha was talking about Marines who were actually at the Haditha killings, a group that does not include Shawn Bryan.

This bio notes that Shawn Bryan served in the 3rd Battalion, 25th Marines in Iraq.  That Battalion returned from Iraq in early October of 2005, over a month before the Haditha killings.

Last week, the group Vets for Freedom, which has been called a "Republican front group" by the non-partisan Center for Media and Democracy, began running this smear ad against John Murtha using the same feigned outrage technique:

The same problem exists in the VFF ad with at least one of their smear-jobbers:


Pimentel:  Congressman John Murtha visited my unit in Iraq,

Toland:  and reassured us of how proud he was of us,

Ledeen: Only to come home and call us cold-blooded murderers.

Toland:  Mr. Murtha, I'm proud of my service in Iraq.

Ledeen: I attacked to be attacked by the insurgents,

Toland:  Not from Congressmen at home.

Christopher Toland might be familiar with Shawn Bryan, being that they served together in the 3/25th Marines. Personally, I'd like to ask them if they sat next to each other on the plane ride home in September of 2005.

If Christopher and Shawn think back far enough, they'll remember that when Congressman Murtha visited their unit back in 2005, he was there to look into claims about insufficient body armor (sound familiar?). When he returned, Murtha immediately began working tirelessly in Congress to get more funding for better armor to protect Marines like Shawn Bryan and Christopher Toland.  They thanked him by throwing smears at him in exchange for political gain.

I received information on Toland and Bryan from a source within the 3/25th Marines.  The fact that Toland and Bryan returned from Iraq prior to the Haditha killings is confirmed by the links above.  Notable, though, is that they are just the guys we've been able to verify.  Their dishonesty calls into question the validity of the claims of the other two Veterans in the VFF ad.

It would take a great leap of the imagination to assume that Congressman Murtha's comments deploring the alleged conduct of a handful of Marines was misunderstood by Bill Russell, Shawn Bryan, Vets for Freedom and the rest of the wolf-criers on the right.  It was pretty clear to all of the combat Veterans here at VoteVets what Murtha meant.  Don't believe for a second that this is anything more than feigned outrage for political gain, a tactic we've seen from Vets for Freedom and their ilk far too often. What these operatives either are forgetting or don't care about is that when you exaggerate your service, such as insinuating that you were in Haditha at the time of the killings when you weren't, you are disrespecting the sacrifice of all honorably serving Veterans.

UPDATE: By the way, guess who is a blogger for Vets for Freedom?

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I've Been (4.00 / 1)
Going head to head with some Young 'chickenhawks' that Support VFF's Attacks on Murtha, it's funny how when I mention joining they don't reply just start slammin my service in 'Nam!

They support the tiny group called 'eagles up' which are disgruntled ex-members of 'gathering of eagles', from what I can gather. Seems these 'eagles up' gave themselves important sounding titles they couldn't get with the other group.

Anyway, they are backing the VFF attempt, and not winning any arguments with me nor a couple of others.

Most of those in these 'eagle' groups aren't Vets nor Active, just like the 'swifties' and others.

Murtha's got the Backing of Many Veterans here's hopin this crap doesn't fly!!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson


So...let me get this right. (4.00 / 2)

A vet from New Mexico comes to Pa to call Murtha a "fat little bastard".

It was the second time during his speech that Bryan, who flew in from Albuquerque, New Mexico, had called Murtha a "fat little bastard" during his speech. His remarks were not publicly repudiated at the rally.

http://www.politickerpa.com/al...

So all VFF has is out of state Marines who act like spoiled little kids? What a joke.


Hello Pot? (4.00 / 1)
30-somethings with jowls should probably avoid calling other people "fat." Just saying.  

[ Parent ]
outstanding post. (4.00 / 4)
What these operatives either are forgetting or don't care about is that when you exaggerate your service, such as insinuating that you were in Haditha at the time of the killings when you weren't, you are disrespecting the sacrifice of all honorably serving Veterans.

spot on.


Personally (0.00 / 0)
I refuse to take sides in this one. I refuse to condone launching personal attacks or actual lying in regards to John Murtha. He is a combat vet and served his time honorably.However, I would also like an explanation to his actions regarding Haditha. Then again, why can't these particular parties at hand man up and discuss face to face without all of the partisans trying to tag along??  

Call his office and ask. (4.00 / 2)

 IF you want an explanation.  

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Good (0.00 / 0)
to go. I'll do that.

[ Parent ]
While Harsh (0.00 / 0)
His statements on Haditha are understandable especially said with the knowledge he understands of What In-Theater War Atrocities or Suspected Atrocities, by those living under occupation of a foreign military, will bring forth, Blowback and Retaliation against other Soldiers especially under his leadership!!

He was showing what All Officers and NCO's should, the understanding that certain acts in War bring about the loss of others and can be compounded when no one is held accountable or the acts are covered up!

What the occupying military thinks isn't important, it's what the occupied either know or suspect.

Haditha brought about Deaths and Maimings of fellow soldiers, the Torture in the Prisons, known in Iraq and Afghanistan long before we ever heard about it, brought about Deaths and Maimings, the Rape of a young girl and than Killing her and her family brought about the Deaths and Maimings of Soldiers..............................................!!!!

It also than leaves the occupiers, especially us as we Condemn Others for acts of InHumanity, with nothing to say when our own are treated in like fashion!

Murtha spoke from the Heart and in the fashion of an officer protecting the Troops, Still!!

As I mentioned above taking on some 'chickenhawks' about this, I told them that Any Member of VFF involved in this that's an Officer or an NCO would be one I Wouldn't Follow Into Any Battle, Murtha I Would, and those Like Murtha! VFF, like certain brothers of 'Nam are using their status as pure political stance, leaving their fellow soldiers behind!!!!!!!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson


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As To 'Nam (0.00 / 0)
Think 'fragging'!!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson

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Yeah (0.00 / 0)
I still think his comments on Haditha were a major slip up. However, I think anyone with an issue regarding them should take them up with Murtha face to face or via phone. I do not want to see all the politicos involved.  

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Granted, (0.00 / 0)
I personally see such partisan things as this serving as little more than a distraction from real issues. He called Murtha a "fat bastard." It was extremely disrespectful and probably politically motivated, but OK. At the end of the day, everyone has one vote in the ballot booth. However, I have personally seen attacks on combat vets from both sides of the partisan isle and would gladly pledge allegiance to Israel or Russia before the Republicans or the Democrats.  

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