What Military Families Think of the Bush Administration

by: Brandon Friedman

Fri Dec 07, 2007 at 01:20:21 AM EST


Way back in the day, many of us voted for George W. Bush.  Personally, I cast that fateful vote for him in 2000--when I was 22 years old, and just over a month away from being commissioned as an Army officer.  I figured I was doing my duty.  I thought that Republicans supported the military.

But I didn't make the same mistake in 2004.  After one deployment to Afghanistan and another to Iraq, I'd finally learned my lesson.    

But some of us who've served in Iraq, like former Marine Kent Fletcher, took longer to see the light.  An active member of VoteVets, Kent only turned on the Bush administration in 2006.  In an article today, Bloomberg covered Kent's transition from being vehemently pro-Bush administration, to being one of its harshest critics.  Along with new poll data, the article uses Kent as a case study to examine how military families' support for the Bush administration has eroded throughout the course of the war.

The lesson of the Bloomberg piece is this: On a long enough timeline (and despite what they say), the Bush administration will piss off and alienate every single living member of the United States military and every single living member of their families.  

Details below. . . .  

Brandon Friedman :: What Military Families Think of the Bush Administration
The Bloomberg piece, written by Christopher Stern, is based on a Bloomberg/Los Angeles Times poll of active-duty military, veterans and their families.  The pollsters found what we in this community already know: Bush administration policies have been disastrous for the U.S. military.  Here are some of the highlights:

Among active-duty military, veterans and their families, only 36 percent say it was worth going to war in Iraq. This compares with an Annenberg survey taken in 2004, one year after the invasion, which showed that 64 percent of service members and their families supported the war.

The views of veterans and their families are now closer in line with overall public sentiment. The poll shows that 32 percent of the general population supports the war.

64 percent down to 36 percent--and this is after the surge.  This is called "cratering."  As in, military families' support for the Iraq War is "cratering."

The poll conducted Nov. 30-Dec. 3 also finds that 37 percent of military-family members approve of the job Bush is doing as president, a little more than the general population. The 2004 poll by the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg School of Communications in Philadelphia found that twice as many military families approved of Bush's performance.

No surprise there.

The same trend holds true on the question of the treatment of active-duty military, veterans and their families. The poll finds that only 29 percent of all poll respondents say they believe the Bush administration is doing a good job handling those needs. Among military families, who directly benefit from those programs, 35 percent say the administration is doing a good job.

Translated: Two out of three military families think the Bush administration treats them poorly.  Big surprise?  No.

At the same time, a plurality of military-family members, 39 percent, say they believe Democrats are likely to do a better job handling those issues, compared with 35 percent for Republicans.

Think about that for a second.  More military family members think Democrats are better at handling military issues than Republicans.  My question is this: How absolutely fucked up as an administration do you have to be to create a situation like that in the wake of 9/11?  

The answer?  Pretty fucked up, I guess.  I mean, these guys have turned an ardently pro-Republican military into a huge bloc of Democratic voters.

In 2005, Fletcher, the Marine who switched party affiliations, published an editorial in the Huntington, West Virginia Herald-Dispatch newspaper scolding critics of Bush, who he said were also insulting the U.S. fighting forces.

``You don't have to spit on an Iraqi war veteran physically to spit on one metaphorically,'' he wrote. ``We are part and the same with the president's administration.''

Fletcher is now a member of Votevets.org, a group that promotes political candidates, particularly veterans who are critical of the Bush administration's Iraq war policies.

That shift in Fletcher's view may reflect a broader trend in the military about dissent. The Bloomberg/Los Angeles Times poll finds that 58 percent of military families -- the same margin as the overall population -- believe it is appropriate for retired military personnel to criticize Bush even in a time of war.

I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this.  And I'd love to hear from any Bush administration-supporting troops or veterans who are lurking here.  I'd be interested to hear why you're holding out.  Seriously.

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On the GOP... (4.00 / 2)
...I admit I liked the GOP back when Clinton was in office.  I thought they stood for small government and a good defense policy that our constitution calls for.  That makes a lot of sense to me, and seemed to be what our country needed.  Man, do I feel stupid.  After 9/11 they convinced people to stay in their homes and continue their shopping sprees.  They encouraged fear in the American mind with irrational threats of homespun terrorism, while real terrorism began to grow in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the middle East.  The war in Iraq was a huge misendeavor (the biggest understatement ever).  However, I think the strategy we have now is the best way to get out of this mess (I know I will be argued with about this, but I do think it is), but I'm afraid Bush is going to change the strategy to favor a long-term presence in the name of various corporate interests.  He's starting to talk tough about war with Iran, despite the fact that ADM Mullen (head of the Joint Chiefs), ADM Fallon (head of CENTCOM), and the Secretary of Defense favor a much more diplomatic approach (and don't forget the NIE).  Bush's pandering to a small minority of evangelical voters is, frankly, a little creepy with some of his domestic policies.  Our country is in worse debt, our military's in bad shape, etc.  No I don't think I like Mr. George Bush.  I used to like the party of smaller government and common sense policies, but the neo-cons took over and I felt like I got stabbed in the back.  Yet , I still haven't heard a good strategy on Iraq and Afghanistan from any of the presidential hopefuls, so I'm keeping my voting options open.  Have they even talked about Iraq yet?

LIAR LIAR LIAR (4.00 / 1)
Let's face facts.  Since entering our troops into harm's way,  George Bush and Dick Cheney and ALL Neocons associated with the Administration and not associated with the Administration especially Rush Limbaugh have conscientiously lied to all of us american people following the tragic 9-11 event.   And they have all done so year after year to this point, so what is another year's difference going to make?  But I am sick and tired of having the constitution twisted to fit the convenient needs of Bush and Cheney and all them folks in charge in Washington.  They have lied to us all on Iraq, Iran (this weeks NIE report, for example) and Bush still condemns and saber rattles against Iran and will probably continue to do so until he exits the whitehouse.  How convenient for a president to wage a war until the very end of his term and then dump it into another president's lap?  The arrogance of the Bush Administration is just beyond belief.  From the exiting of the Habeous Corpeus to the Warrentless Wire Taps, to the confounding of the 4th Amendment to the constitution, nothing speaks of arrogance like Dick Cheney and George W. Bush.  I hear that Texans don't even want him back.  So he has a presidential library on SMU in Dallas but his home will be in Arizona.  How sad.

[ Parent ]
NHTimberwolf... (0.00 / 0)
...I'm confused.  Are you calling me a liar or the neo-cons?  I've been a little self-consious lately, and I'm used to people on some of the other discussion boards I won't name saying I need to "resign my commission"  because I don't believe in the President's foreign policy agenda.  But yes I think the Bush Administration has been horrendous.  I only support the current strategy in Iraq because I think it's the best way out of a bad situation, and I haven't heard another viable one from our civilian leadership, however I am very open to suggestions. But I sure as hell don't want a war with Iran.

[ Parent ]
All good points LT. This is not a knock on you but an appropriate (4.00 / 1)
place for me to mention something EVERYBODY fails to mention when we discuss Bush's saber rattling against Iran. Is he insane. Our military is decimated with PTSD, TBI, mental health issues, if all is added at least 20% of all branches (that totals 2.5 million) are diasbaled to some degree. Oh and the big one NOBODY seems to mention CZAR Putin said  and I quote, "military action of any kind against Iran will not be tolerated". He might as well have said what he meant and that is the full military might of Russia will be behind Iran if the USA attacks them. Iran has given russia huge amounts of oil and 8 billion dollars, yes, $8 billion. Russia is helping them complete their nuclear facilities and Putin came out and said in your face USA we are gonna help Iran with their nuclear progam.  We have the greatest military on earth but we are NOT in any condition to go up against Russia right now. Declaring the revolutionary guard as a terrorist organization could be twisted by Bush as an authorization for war against them. Putin is absolutely trying to return Russia to even before communism but back to the time of the CZAR's, he will be the CZAR. He is ex KGB and so is every high ranking official in Russia. Their hatred of the USA did not just disappear with peristroika in 1991....Russia is known to be willing to sacrifice every single body in their military for victory. It is complete insanity to even talk about military action against Iran. Bush is mentally unstable and has this unbelievable desire to leave a legay for history to see him as a great president. IMHO opinion he believe that is through making the middle east a democracy, he is insane.
You can read my diary on dailykos about many many things Putin has done.. He is positioning Russia to be more powerful on the world stage than during the cold war. I know a little about this. My wife is Russian, my in laws are still there. I study russian history and politics. Putin IS going to be Prime Minister when he leaves office in the spring. He recently passed a law reducing the presidents powers and passing them to PM. I don't care what face he puts on he and all his KGB buddies HATE the USA. What is Putin up to? Dictator? Czar? More about Russia
http://www.dailykos.com/story/...

"It is illogical to put a cap on VA funding when it is impossible to put a cap on the number of those wounded and injured in service to their country." Larry Scott







[ Parent ]
Digging out of hole (4.00 / 1)
"However, I think the strategy we have now is the best way to get out of this mess "

The British have led the way on this issue and they are pointing in the direction we need to be heading.

Cutting off funding may be a noble idea but it will be extremely messy. It takes a woman nine months to gain the extra pounds associated with pregnancy. You can not expect her to drop that newly gained weight overnight, it takes time.

Permanent bases in Iraq should be a non-starter as that will only add fuel and create a recruiting poster for the fanatics.

In my mind, I do not know how long it would take to reduce our troop strength to maybe 50,000 trainers and support personnel. That is an extremely complicated thing to do that requires a great many staff hours and multiple staff inputs.


[ Parent ]
Yes, but will disdain for Bush carry over to all Repugs? (0.00 / 0)
The military has been a solid reliable voting base for Repugs. In several key states their is a large military prescense and could actually be the deciding factor in the state. With 2.5 million in all branches and 55% married that brings the voting power of the military to nearly 4 million. If all military voted democratic in 2008, that could actually be the deciding factor in the presidential race. IMHO, all the repug candidates are the same as Bush and will not change anything regarding the war or veterans issues. I have not heard any candidate on either side come out and say "AND I WILL FIX THE PROBLEMS WITH OUR VA AND OUR DOD, I WILL GET PROPER CARE AND FUNDING FOR OUR VETERANS, I COMITT TO REDUCING THE TIME FOR DISABILITY CLAIMS TO BE PROCESSED, I WILL ENSURE THE ASSESSMENT OF EVERY RETURNING VET FOR PTSD, TBI AND MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. I WILL STOP THE PRACTICE OF LABELING VETS WITH PD TO AVOID PAYING BENEFITS OF PTSD, UNTIL THE WAR ENDS I WILL REDUCE TOURS OF DUTY AND INCREASE "DOWN TIME" ETC ETC." When is some candidate  going to comitt to this?  When is some candidate going to see the magnitude of the veterans problems? The  repugs have always been the hawks but now they are hawks to send people there but no plan on what to do when they get home. Just like the "Let's attack Iraq and topple Saddam", oh shit, we forgot to consider anything after that.  

"It is illogical to put a cap on VA funding when it is impossible to put a cap on the number of those wounded and injured in service to their country." Larry Scott







Has consideration be given to starting an e-mail campaign to all (4.00 / 1)
candidates to encourage them to think about our issues?  I tend to find a LOT of e-mails get there attention :)

[ Parent ]
have been trying to get that done on dailykos as they (0.00 / 0)
have 150.000 members. If we could get a high percentage of the 2.5 million military and nearly 4 million including spouses. We are just getting organized on here and telling people about bill coming up etc. we need to get more vets and family and current active duty on here and spread the word. You are absolutely write if senators and congressmen got 100,000 emails it would have an impact. I think it is them we need to get to we can't wait for the candidates to get in office. Here is link to my diary outling numbers and near collapse of VA.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/...
this next one is about TBI
http://www.dailykos.com/story/...
next one about an emotional day I had at the VA
http://www.dailykos.com/story/...
ALL THESE WERE ON DAILY KOS THAT ON A GREAT DIARY WILL GET 1000 COMMENTS CHECK THE NUMBER OF VOTES ETC. ON THESE, I AM TRYING HAD TO GET OTHER SITES INVOLVED IN OUR PLIGHT BUT YES IF ALL MILITARY START EMAILING CONGESSMEN AND SENATORS WE CAN GET THINGS FIXED. Tom.

"It is illogical to put a cap on VA funding when it is impossible to put a cap on the number of those wounded and injured in service to their country." Larry Scott







[ Parent ]
Repubs vs. Dems (4.00 / 2)
Everyone here, it appears to me, has disdain (mildly put) for shrub, his policies, his enablers, and his supporters in congress.

Yes, shrub has displayed severe contempt for our soldiers, including vets.

I'm old enough, however, to remember Democratic presidents (Johnson and Carter) who were just as bad toward soldiers and vets in their own ways.

I don't believe, therefore, that soldiers and vets would necessarily fare better under a Dem president.


19 months sober. (4.00 / 2)
This is turning into an "AA" meeting. Hi my name is Colonel "Joe" and I have not drank the kool aid since 2006.

In 2008, I want nothing to do with the GOP having been a lifelong GOP supporter. If the races are close I will vote D. If the races are not close I will vote third party.

The GOP needs a cleaning. What we are seeing today is a party where the neo-con (lets go to war) faction has been fused together with the tax cuts uber alles faction. What do you get with that? Going to war on the cheap, with only the military making sacrifices and everyone else shopping.

I would like to see the Democrat candidates co-opt that famous phrase by Cheney in 2000, "Help is on the way."  The candidate could then go into a list of everything they plan on doing.

I would like to see a Democrat candidate talk about "nation building." Just pirate Bush's speeches from the campaign but compare and contrast Iraq with Bosnia. Iraq is nation building, Bosnia is a teeny weenie french fry in the nation building scale.

I would like to see a Democrat candidate come up and publicly state that if we have to do something like this again, that the American People will be asked to sacrifice through taxes that pay for it and selective service so only the best and brightest are in uniform. I want to hear, "The military will never again be asked to shoulder these responsibilities on their own."  


Very, very good points. (4.00 / 1)
Especially the Cheney thing.

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Lier v. Stupid (4.00 / 1)
In the political realm, if Democrats want to capitalize on the military defecting from the Bush Republican Party, I think some understanding needs to be given to how Bush and the Party is viewed.

Military former GOP voters do not look at Bush and say he lied. They look at him and say he is incredible bull headed and STUPID. We are amazed at the excuses we made when his ability to put together a logical sentence was clearly on stage. We would say things like, he got an MBA from Harvard so he can not be as stupid as he sounds. Well the truth is out, he is as stupid as he sounds.

I am not saying that you need to agree with this but you need to understand it in order to capitalize on it. We do not see Bush as a lier, he is just incredibly stupid and has the "normal and regular faults" of someone who formerly abused certain things.

But that does not mean we have the same opinion on those people that Bush surrounded himself with, all the culpable neo-cons, who clearly had their own agendas and knew they could take advantage of Bush's stupidity.  


Col. I post on the largest democratic blog on the web and am (0.00 / 0)
a member and read every day and am a vet. I have been trying hard to get them interested in Vets issues. See links upthread in response to armyofone but here is my most recent.

Titled: Right wingnuts push a huge voting block our way
http://www.dailykos.com/story/...

Not the readers I expected or wanted or WE deserved when I had vets, veterans, military in title so tried this different tact. also getting to know many people and asking them to recommend so the get on the recommended list to get more exposure. These people, membership 150,000 do rally and email congressmen and senators when behind a cause. I am trying to get them behind our causes. Tom.

"It is illogical to put a cap on VA funding when it is impossible to put a cap on the number of those wounded and injured in service to their country." Larry Scott







[ Parent ]
I just read it. (4.00 / 1)
I went and read your link. You are exactly right and I am looking at this as someone who is from the right side of the aisle.

The democrat party left Ronald Reagan.

The republican party has left me.

As someone in the voting block that you are alluding to, I do not know if the Democrats will pick up those votes but I will say that the votes have been taken out of play at a minimum for both parties.

Can the Republican Party regain majority status if they have pushed aside the military voting bloc? No.

If the Democrats could come out and honestly adopt what was the GOP platforms of 2000 and prior, they could pick up those votes after a level of trust was built.

I also believe that the cart may be before the horse in putting veterans benefits ahead of using/abusing the existing force. That may simply be a tendancy of pre-established Democrat policy thought. If the troops are taken care of in the field, there will be less need to take care of them through the VA.

To put it another way, I do not want to require VA help/care. I want to make sure that I do not get to the point and my soldiers do not get to the point.  Lets stop the growth in the population that will require VA care in the first place. Smart rotation and deployment schedules will save VA care in the future and will ensure that the troops are at the peek efficiency in combat to win our wars.

In closing I would love to see a democrat come out and state that "He/she will not put our valiant military forces in harms way again unless they have the total backing of the US and all of the tools to win a war."

Is there any Democrat that will pledge not to send the same soldier back to Iraq for the fourth time?

I would propose the following question for the next debate.
"If you are elected President and we are still in Iraq, you will inherit an Army where many soldiers have already completed four full tours. If you are Commander in Chief will you send those same individuals back to Iraq for their fifth, sixth and seventh tour?"

You give me a candidate that answers that the right way and I guarantee that is the next POTUS.  


[ Parent ]
On the money and good question for debate. My focus (0.00 / 0)
on the Vets and VA is because I believe the system is currently near collapse. I agree the best idea is let's stop creating a situation that causes our troops to need the VA. The number and length of tours with lack of adequte down time will multiply PTSD ten fold and the same for potential of TBI......Tom.

"It is illogical to put a cap on VA funding when it is impossible to put a cap on the number of those wounded and injured in service to their country." Larry Scott







[ Parent ]
This is a study... (4.00 / 1)
...done at the University of Minnesota in 1999 of then Governor Bush. Read the conclusions on his strengths and weaknesses and say, "duh".

http://www.csbsju.edu/uspp/Exe...

Would have been nice to know this stuff back in '99.


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