Race and Terrorism

Same (0.00 / 0)

This fear has exposed the racial hatred of upper echelons of Al Qaeda leadership.

As the GOPer base as per recent Rallies but known all along!

They don't see the comparison though, and go bonkers when you mention it to them.


'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson

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by: jimstaro @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 12:11:49 PM CST

If this (0.00 / 0)

is news to anyone, then they haven't been paying attention. Just look at the status of immigrant workers in Saudi Arabia. Granted, I don't buy the whole AQ is afraid of Obama for one minute.  

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by: FredUSMC @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 17:35:08 PM CST

At the same end (0.00 / 0)

I don't see how the term "House Negro" constitutes racism, considering that the term was coined by a black man to begin with.  

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by: FredUSMC @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 17:37:33 PM CST

So.. (0.00 / 0)

you aren't surprised by the racist comment, but you don't think the term "house negro" is a racist term? What is it that doesn't surprise you, and how is referring to an African-American as a slave not racist? Where is your reference for the origin of the term?

I'm on twitter.

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by: Richard Allen Smith @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 17:44:15 PM CST

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Here (0.00 / 0)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

The concept of the term actually originated in the times of slavery, although Malcom X sure didn't seem to mind using it here. Now, we wouldn't consider him a racist would we? What doesn't surprise me is the fact that Zawahiri is a bigoted asshole. I have known that Wahhabis are bigoted assholes for sometime. However, I still don't see any racism here. It was simply an insult.  

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by: FredUSMC @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 18:06:06 PM CST

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I suppose you are right. It's not racist. (0.00 / 0)

So you wouldn't mind calling one of your African-American friends (making the assumption that you have at least one) a "house negro"? And you're friend wouldn't take offense?

I'm on twitter.

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by: Richard Allen Smith @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 19:27:04 PM CST

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It would (0.00 / 0)

likely depend on the situation and the overall context of the usage of the term. It may well be very offensive, but it would not make me a racist.  

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by: FredUSMC @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 20:18:04 PM CST

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If you say racist things (0.00 / 0)

that makes you a racist.

I'm on twitter.

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by: Richard Allen Smith @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 21:12:32 PM CST

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Maybe I don't (0.00 / 0)

consider "house negro" to be a racist term. Offensive?  Most likely. Racist on its own? No.  

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by: FredUSMC @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 21:45:32 PM CST

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That's a pejorative term no matter who says it--it originated as an (0.00 / 0)

classification of a person based on the work they did for people who OWNED them, for gods sake--and got worse.  It most surely is racist.

The only people who have any imaginable right to label someone else that way, black Americans, would be using it as an insult and scathing denunciation of someone's basic character.

Since that term started probably almost two centuries ago, how in the world can you say who said it first, anyway.  It's  likely to have been a term used by a white as a description of a "financial asset."

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by: boadicaea @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 22:02:20 PM CST

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Never (0.00 / 0)

said it wasn't offensive. Nor did I ever condone the use of the word or voice my approval for it. I did say that I do not consider the term racist on its own and I stand by that assertion. That doesn't mean it cannot be used in a racist manner, but what words can't be used to advance racism. Now, nobody knows where the term actually originated, but Malcom X sure did use it and make it much more well known. BTW everyone in the United States does have the right to use that term. It's called Freedom of Speech. That doesn't mean that they should.  

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by: FredUSMC @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 22:20:54 PM CST

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You're right (0.00 / 0)

if you want to use that term feel free. It is your right.

But its also my right to rightfully point out racism when I see it. And if you don't see that term as racist, you've got some issues you need to work through.

I'm on twitter.

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by: Richard Allen Smith @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 23:18:57 PM CST

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I still don't (0.00 / 0)

see it as a racist term and you are more than entitled to think what you will of my thought process. Granted, I woulld suggest a much different approach if you seek to actually change someone like myself's thought process, but maybe that is just me.  

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by: FredUSMC @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 23:58:11 PM CST

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Here's a thought-- (0.00 / 0)

ask a "Negro" if it's racist.  You can even ask her what degree of racism it has coming from a white person, and then from a black person.

From all that hair-splitting you're doing, I know that you are white.  How about you just admit that you don't have any business judging what's racist to a black American--the person who's affected by that kind of verbal trash.  

Freedom of speech doesn't mean you get to throw around racist and insulting remarks without having to bear the consequences.  In fact, using that principle to apply to your type of speech demeans it so much that it  becomes meaningless.  Good thing most people understand what responsibility has to do with freedom.

You can consider this the best approach at discussin the issue  that you're going to get from a reasonable person.  If you haven't changed your mind by now, you're on your own.

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by: boadicaea @ Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 19:04:32 PM CST

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Considering (0.00 / 0)

that I don't even use those words, your argument is a moot point. Then again, maybe I think racism has alot more to do with deeds than words.  

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by: FredUSMC @ Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 19:22:40 PM CST

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If the political (0.00 / 0)

establishment is really concerned about racism, then how about they take steps to actually improve the lives of Americans, including black Americans. It would be alot more productive than milking questionable remarks for political brownie points. Then again, that might just be asking too much.  

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by: FredUSMC @ Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 19:29:10 PM CST

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If you think that isn't a racist term (0.00 / 0)

you need to stay out of Rush's pill box.

I'm on twitter.

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by: Richard Allen Smith @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 22:06:47 PM CST

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I don't (0.00 / 0)

That doesn't mean that I don't see it as a grevious insult.  

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by: FredUSMC @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 22:21:47 PM CST

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If (0.00 / 0)

freedom of thought is defined as going into Rush's pillbox, then consider me in Rush's pillbox 24:7.

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by: FredUSMC @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 23:10:17 PM CST

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you are free to think whatever you want (0.00 / 0)

just like you are free to be a bigot.

I'm on twitter.

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by: Richard Allen Smith @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 23:19:53 PM CST

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Exactly (0.00 / 0)

If people are not free to be bigots, then where would the good be in them choosing not to be bigots?

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by: FredUSMC @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 23:39:19 PM CST

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Ok, you two...time to shake! (4.00 / 1)

AQ have no idea who they are up against. I can almost feel the onset of their complete and total demise!

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by: Elizabeth Miller @ Thu Nov 20, 2008 at 00:01:36 AM CST

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Now (0.00 / 0)

why would he call Obama a "house negro" and Malcom X an honorable Black American? There is a hidden message there.  

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by: FredUSMC @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 18:37:11 PM CST

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What hidden message... (0.00 / 0)

Malcolm X became a Sunni Muslim among other things.

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by: deMeme @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 18:54:28 PM CST

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Unfortunately (0.00 / 0)

I lack telepathic powers so I cannot say for sure. However, I would guess he was trying to say something along the lines of "Real Black Americans are Muslims", probably in an effort to convince more of them to convert to Islam, specifically Wahhabi Islam. Probably wouldn't be that effective, but AQ loses nothing in trying.  

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by: FredUSMC @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 19:07:03 PM CST

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But at (0.00 / 0)

the same end, Zawahiri's purpose of the tape may have been to distract various individuals from more important tasks, like actually looking for him.

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by: FredUSMC @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 19:11:37 PM CST

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Watching the talkers this PM, the discussion was that this (0.00 / 0)

tape was showing fear and weakness on the part of the OBL-AQ. It was an international mistake. Technically, the tape was pretty sad.

Some discussion in this transcript:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA...

If you haven't seen the tape, it also shows Obama with a yarmmulke on when he met with Israeli leaders.

You might find the discussion of this sign at "Spirit One Christian Center" in Wichita, KS that read: "America, we have a Muslim President.This is a sin to the Lord" of interest.

They also showed this church sign "Osama, Obama...Humm...brothers"

Both extremes are/have been playing the fear, race, religion cards.

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by: deMeme @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 18:19:57 PM CST

Although, (0.00 / 0)

considering that we are still best buds with the number 1 propagator of religious intolerance world wide, I don't see how attempting to exploit this for IO will get us anywhere. Might I add that this particular state seems to be rather fond of sexism and possibly racism as well. It may make everyone feel better to call Zawahiri a racist and a slew of other demeaning etiphets, but it won't win any brownie points in the parts of the world where it actually counts for something.  

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by: FredUSMC @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 21:03:48 PM CST

I dunno... (0.00 / 0)

I think its kinda barking up the wrong tree. The end question seems to be is Malcolm-X's argument about "house negros" and "field negros" racist; this is the specific concept Al-Zawahri is referring to.

Link to video in full: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

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by: Ernie1812 @ Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 22:17:37 PM CST