Stop Loss: A Review

by: ThisDudesArmy

Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 20:02:17 PM EDT


The movie Stop Loss premiered nationwide yesterday, and in its wake I was asked how I thought soldiers were portrayed in war movies. Two days before I saw the movie, I offered my view and what I predicted would be the same with Stop Loss:

Hollywood has pigeonholed soldiers as "southern rednecks" or "dregs of society" when in reality the armed forces are made up of everyone from California surfers to fast-talking Brooklynites.

"We serve for a variety of different reasons, like patriotism, education benefits or a way to get our lives back on track and earn a little discipline." he said. "From a filmgoer's standpoint, we joined to get out of our hick town or to blow stuff up."

Another misstep on the part of screenwriters and directors, Horton said, is portraying veterans as either seriously alcoholic or constantly battling post-traumatic stress disorder.

"Both are serious problems," he admitted. "But they don't affect every single soldier."

Everyone who goes to war and back is changed to some degree, Horton said, but judging from the trailers he's seen of "Stop-Loss," the film paints a picture that every soldier is adversely affected by war, which isn't the case, he said.

It seems not much has changed in Hollywood.

Warning: Spoilers Abound!

Directed by Kimberley Peirce (Boy's Don't Cry), Stop Loss is a fictional drama based on the real life retention policy of keeping solders in the military past their contractual obligation. I went to the show with a friend of mine, also a veteran, only a few miles away from the front gate at Ft. Lewis. Outside the box office, I could spot active duty members a mile away buying tickets.

Inside the theater, I looked around before the lights dimmed down. It wasn't the audience I expected. With the seats at little more than half capacity, I saw a lot of women in their twenties in groups of three or more. It seemed they were more interested in seeing a shirtless Ryan Phillippe than an examination of an abused military policy. There were several young men in the audience but they were clearly outnumbered by the fairer sex.

The movie opened up with the obligatory scenes of combat and losing buddies but soon derailed into melodrama when the main character, SSG King (played by Phillippe) finds that he is being stop lossed the day he is supposed to get out of the Army. He is ordered to report to a unit shipping out to Iraq only a month after he himself returned. After a yelling match with his scheming battalion commander, who orders him to the brig for his refusal of an order, he lays out two MPs and begins his journey from his small Texas town to Washington, D.C. to seek the refuge of his senator.

Accompanying him on the journey is the fiancé of his best friend, Michelle (Abbie Cornish). She sports a black eye for half of the movie after a fight with her soon to be husband Sgt. Shriver (Channing Tatum), who is battling PTSD like every single character in the film. In a deal cut with the battalion commander, he re-ups, sending Michelle over the edge and into the confused arms of SSG King, torn between his duty to his men and standing up for his own principes.

The story is interlaced with the tragic downfall of Private Burgess (Joseph Gordon-Levitt), who suffers the most out of all the PTSD-afflicted soldiers. It also follows SSG King across the country, falling into a pit of despair after visiting the parents of a man killed on his watch, and a hospital visit with a member of his squad who became a double amputee following an explosion.

The movie has good good intentions approaching a delicate and controversial subject but it gets caught up in typical war movie clichés and melodrama. Hollywood has the idea that soldiers are dominated by their service 24/7 and in turn use military-speak at every turn, keep their hair skull tight and wear their dog tags with every outfit. You could hear the eyeballs in the audience roll after the repeated use of "watch your six" and other catch phrases not heard since the first month of basic training. Every character had a southern drawl and a penchant for drinking heavily while shooting shotguns (after scenes of square dancing and drunken brawls, of course), a stereotype that is profoundly inaccurate but has nevertheless been prevalent in war movies for years.

All of the sappy drama aside, it put into perspective some of the dangers faced by veterans when they return from war. Not many civilians know what the stop loss policy entails (if they know anything about it), and perhaps this movie will shine light on the subject and allow some room for deliberation around the water coolers of America. Unfortunately, it seems like the country is suffering from war fatigue, so there's no telling how much this movie will affect public discourse. As a war movie it barely passes, and as a drama it's too contrived despite its good intentions. But let's hope it achieves its goal: national understanding of the little known but unfortunate policy of what has been called 'a back-door draft.'

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DOH! You scooped me! (4.00 / 1)
I was going to write a review!  Oh well, I'll just jump off yours.  I agree with you that the PTSD/Drinking were over-played.  Especially considering EVERYTHING that happened in the movie was supposed to happen within a month!  I know multiple deployments are an issue, but within a month, we aren't there . . . yet.  In addition, PTSD, spouse/girlfriend abuse, etc . . . develop over time, not the day after you get back . . . from my understanding and experience.

Putting that aside though, I thought it was well-acted (country hick and all) and made some really valid points . . . showing the emotion and anger so many soldiers feel at being abused by the government.  The emotions were raw enough that I left feeling a little nauseous, not because it was a bad movie, but it put me through a range of feelings.

Anyway, yes, women in their 20's definately out-numbered the rest of the audience, but I told myself they all had men serving overseas now . . .

If for any reason, see it just to keep the critics from saying we're "winning the war" because people don't want to see a movie that's critical of it.


You're Right (4.00 / 1)
In addition, PTSD, spouse/girlfriend abuse, etc . . . develop over time, not the day after you get back . . . from my understanding and experience

There are many Vets, from 'Nam and other conflicts that never had flashbacks or signs of PTSD untill 'Shock and Awe' started and what was already know would happen did, Guerilla/Insurgent warfare, and continues, The Mind was opened to that it surpressed for so long, the Triggers Hit and Hit Hard!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson


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Alex, so what's the deal? (4.00 / 1)
Combat Infantry Bunny says to go see it.  What do you say?  Is it worth the eight bucks for a ticket?

Eh (4.00 / 1)
If you're not in the military, see it. If you're active duty or a veteran, it's preaching to the choir. You won't get anything out of it except finding constant errors in uniforms, equipment and language, missing the point that you already knew anyway. If you're that curious, wait for the rental.

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Details (0.00 / 0)
Hollyweird has been known to take quite a few liberties.  To give you an idea, I reviewed a movie called "Fighter," starring Ricardo Mantalban.  A great actor, but even he couldn't rescue this turkey.  It began with someone in very long hair and an Air Force uniform with no rank showing being tortured and yelling great obscenities.  When I mentioned he should have been giving his name, rank, service number and date of birth, I was told, "how cliche!"  The plot of the story was for a group of bad guys to hijack a KC-10, slide through the refueling boom, cut their way into a C-5 carrying 2 armed and ready to fly F-117s, which they would then steal in flight.  There was no way in hell any of that could have been done.  First of all, even without the baffles and filters you couldn't fit through the boom and things continued to get more impossible after that.  I always hoped my scathing review was what killed it, unless they planned to release it as a comedy.  The general public is not going to notice things like the order of decorations or that someone was not demoted, as those are little things Hollyweird calls details and for the most part wouldn't know unless someone who has been there, done that and designed the T shirt told them.  And even then they'd probably just give you a blank stare and ask, "so?"

I try not to be upset when things don't work, but I'm generally amazed when they do.

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Being a southerner I'm sure I'd be pissed (0.00 / 0)
at the southern stereotype. Even tho' I may have a slight accent by national standards, it doesn't make me  ignorant.  

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Wow, I interviewed soldiers at Ft. Hood on premier night (4.00 / 1)
and the majority that I talked to liked it.  I mean, I went into it w/ lowered expectations b/c it was an MTV movie.  Also, a lot of what you describe about the characters I attribute to the fact that they were Texans and not in the military.

Make wars unprofitable and you make them impossible.
~A. Philip Randolph



Texans, heh (0.00 / 0)
LMAO on that one Carissa.
I've had clients all over Killeen, Copperas Cove and Lampasa as well as the rest of Texas and feel comfortable saying there are some Texans that delight in the Hollywood image of Texans.

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What happened here in at Fort Carson (4.00 / 2)
I went with two active duty troops and three other former military that were Iraq War Veterans. We went to the 7:40pm showing.

The movie theater is less than five miles from gate 4 at Fort Carson.

The theater was packed and I found out later that this showing was actually sold out.

Before the movie began I looked around and the overwhelming vast majority of the audience was active duty servicemembers. Probably close to 70%.

My opinion of the movie:  

I thought the opening war scenes were pretty exciting, of course everyones going to find something inaccurate in this scene, but for the average non-vet this it was as equally exciting as Blackhawk Down when it came to action.

My favorite part of the movie was when SSG King said to his Battalion Commander "Fuck President Bush".  The audience here at our theater errupted with applause and hooting and also repeating what SSG King said (they must be phony soldiers!!!). It was freakin amazing!!!

The most obvious mistakes were of course the AR 670-1 violations...when did the National Defense Ribbon become a higher award than the Purple Heart?

And when did it become part of military policy that if you disrespect a Field Grade Officer and physically attack a SGT and a SPC who have you in their custody you can still keep your rank after you return from being AWOL?

All in all I thought the movie helped open the eyes of the public on this issue that has affected over 80,000.

Even though I hated the ending of this movie, I thought that the statistics at the end helped it out where the movie fell short.


Oh yeah - the rank!!!! (4.00 / 2)
I totally thought the same exact thing, "how the hell did he keep his rank?!"  I was expecting to see E-4!  

Now, even though it seems people didn't like the ending, I thought it was actually good, because it emphasized the internal struggle a leader has re: his responsiblity/loyalty to his troops and the desire to be free.


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That's right! (4.00 / 1)
great point....it did emphasize that.

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Don't think (0.00 / 0)
there's kikely to be, for Iaqi vets, a remotely decent movie about the Iraq misadventure until some years after it's over and there's some distance and perspective.

There still has not been a good movie made about the Viet Nam war.  The best attempts ("Platoon" and "Hamburger Hill") are mainly caricatures with a couple good scenes.

The problem is that movie makers try to combine politics with truth, and truth always loses out.


Truth and politics (4.00 / 2)
The implication about politics in:

movie makers try to combine politics with truth, and truth always loses out

...is as much of a stereotype as the ones about all Iraq war combat vets being southerners, having PTSD, etc., etc.

Note: I am not denying that untruth is rampant in politics.  Nevertheless: I submit that if more US citizens would hold their political leaders to higher standards, we'd get "truer" politics.


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Fort Hood Soldiers and Stop Loss on Premier Night (4.00 / 4)
Part of a draft of what I have written for military.com:

The majority of the 30 or so soldiers I spoke with this evening actually liked the movie.  The general consensus was that the movie was not what they expected it to be from the previews.  Most said they thought the movie was relatively realistic and none felt it was anti-American or anti-military.  Lower enlisted and junior NCOs were more sympathetic to Sgt. King's struggle than senior NCOs were.  In fact, two senior NCOs were quick to point out that technically soldiers join the Army for 8 years--three to four years of active duty service plus 4 or 5 years in the IRR (Inactive Ready Reserves).  

My reasons for asking whether they felt it was anti-military were two-fold.  First, I ran into two separate groups of soldiers at a nearby restaurant and asked if they had seen Stop-Loss yet or if they planned to see it.  They told me that they had no desire to see it because they believed it was a movie "trashing the Army" and "glorifying" going AWOL.  One group went so far as to say movies like this "should not even be made."  Second, when I returned to my car, I found an IVAW (Iraq Veterans Against the War) pamphlet on my windshield.  The Fort Hood chapter of IVAW was canvassing the movie theater parking lot with their organization's literature.  One of the issues they promote is an end to the military's stop-loss policy.  As the movie points out, the military has stop-lossed 81,000 soldiers since 9/11.  

Fortunately, I was able to speak with the Fort Hood IVAW members tonight as well.  The group canvassing the movie theater parking lot was comprised of three active duty soldiers stationed at Ft. Hood and one active duty military spouse whose husband was on his third tour in Iraq.  Of the four, only one, Soldier Sam (names have been changed for obvious reasons), had actually seen Stop-Loss.    

Sam, 21, fresh from a 15 month tour in Iraq and going through a divorce, liked the movie but felt like the producers could have gone further, "they had an opportunity to make a political statement about stop-loss and they kind of cheesed out of it."  
He continued, apparently lost in thought, "the beginning was kind of realistic, with a couple of strategic blunders, I mean it stirred up some memories."  He paused briefly and then the rest came tumbling out, "I'm combating a couple of suicidal thoughts... the scene where they have the funeral with the soldier who committed suicide kind of hit me just because it helped me to never want to do that to my family... I'm sorry..."  He stopped for a moment to rub his eyes before concluding, "It was a good movie."

Sam's friend and IVAW co-member was adamant about NOT seeing it.  "I don't want to see it.  I do whatever I can to not think about Iraq.  I know I am going to be stop-lossed when 1st Cav has to go back in January.  I just can't watch war movies anymore."  

Most of the soldiers I spoke with at the movie theater (and not members of IVAW) gave brief answers: yes, they liked it.  Yes, it was better than they expected.  Yes, they would recommend it to their friends.  No, they didn't think it was anti-military or anti-American.  But then I was fortunate enough to find a particularly chatty group of guys at the end of the night.  All three were Junior NCOs and all three expected to be stop-lossed themselves.  

NCO Joe thought "the movie proves a point that there are soldiers who have lives outside of the military and have families."  He saw this kind of forced re-enlistment as a "kind of back door draft."  Further, although he recognized that the soldier has to do his duty because he signed the contract with the Army, he also felt like "the government needs to recognize what stop-loss does to families and this movie raises awareness about that."

His friend challenged the effectiveness of the movie insofar as raising awareness was concerned because the movie was made by MTV, a "liberal" move company.  Plus, he said, "it sensationalizes too much.  No one gets stop lossed in 30 days.  You have to have 90 days dwell time."  

The rest of Joe's group acknowledged that some parts of the movie were sensationalized, but seemed to agree with Joe on the importance of the movie overall.

"Stop-Loss shows a different side of war that you don't usually see in these movies.  It shows what really does happen to certain soldiers.  PTSD is a real case.  The family struggles is a real case.  This really happens."  Not only that, but Joe thought that "all Senators need to see this movie.  The people who make these decision to stop-loss are never there, maybe once they see this it will be a reality check because first off, you are going to lose retention and re-enlistment and then enlistment and if you want to keep the Army strong maybe it is in the Army's best interest to stop stop-lossing people."

In the end, Stop-Loss was not what I expected.  The reactions of the soldiers were not necessarily what I expected--at least not PRIOR to seeing the movie.  Now I realize that Stop-Loss is not just about a controversial DoD retention policy, it is about the internal conflicts that often accompany our external conflicts; and, ultimately, it begs the question, "how long can we ask so much of so few?"  I suspect that this is the spirit of the movie that resonated with these soldiers.



Make wars unprofitable and you make them impossible.
~A. Philip Randolph



Great Post Carissa! (4.00 / 2)
Its great that you took the time to speak with these active duty troops about such a controversial issue that effects the war fighter everyday.

Personally, if the powers-to-be think we need such a policy then stop calling it an all volunteer force.  

I think its time to bring back the draft. I have an idea, in Nov 2008 when we go to the voting booth to elect our next President, anyone who votes for Senator McCain who is an obvious a war-hawk gets to be drafted first. Then the people who vote for Senators Clinton or Obama get to go next since these two candidates have funded this war they say their against.

Us Ron Paul/Dennis Kucinich voters get to stay home.

Bring back the draft, with new rules!!!


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I've advocated a limited draft... (4.00 / 1)
...for a couple years. Particularly here.

 The more folks know that their four-year active enlistment will become six or seven years of actual active duty time, the less inclined they will be to sign up.

 In short, I propose a fairly limited draft of 350,000 (men only, according to current statutes). No deferments for anything other than demonstrable, impairing physical or mental deficiencies.

 Even those in college or earning $100K a year would be included in such a draft. Even celebrities and the well-connected.

 I've laid it out here. It's time for those in leadership positions to act.



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I wouldn't want to serve with Paris Hilton. (4.00 / 1)

 And I wouldnt want anyone else to have to serve with her either. I just pulled her name out of the hat since you said celebs would be eligible for a draft. I am not too keen on a draft, I think it would put too many people on the lines that really don't want to be there, I think it would just put more soldiers in danger.

 Also exemptions are good but if rich people can get away with murder they can get out of a draft.

Brian


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Brings to mind... (4.00 / 2)
The CCR song "Fortunate Son"

Some folks inherit star spangled eyes,
Ooh, they send you down to war, lord,
And when you ask them, how much should we give?
Ooh, they only answer more! more! more!

 The ultimate song about chickenhawks.  


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Good luck with the draft. (4.00 / 1)
I've written congress about starting up the draft and it horrifies them, as something as unpopular as that would hinder their reelection campaign.  Getting reelected is their primary job while running the country is secondary.  If you get a chance, find "The Wastrels of Defense: how congress sabotages national security," by Winslow T. Wheeler, published by the Naval Institute Press.  Wheeler worked in the Senate, but both houses are equally buggered.  It will give you a very good idea of how congress actually functions.

I try not to be upset when things don't work, but I'm generally amazed when they do.

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There's no doubt... (4.00 / 1)
...that a serious push for a draft would be political suicide for those that sponsor the bill. I certainly don't expect it to happen.

 You hit the nail on the head: Being reelected takes precedence over the nation's needs in the minds of most of our "leaders."


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Literature in parking lots (4.00 / 4)
Second, when I returned to my car, I found an IVAW (Iraq Veterans Against the War) pamphlet on my windshield.  The Fort Hood chapter of IVAW was canvassing the movie theater parking lot with their organization's literature.

Excellent idea, really - I suggest we do same. If we're gonna grow this thing and become a force, there must be a concerted effort at the grassroots (non-MSM) level.  


[ Parent ]
Carissa (4.00 / 2)
Let me know when you post this, I'll pass it on, these from Active Duty and Families of, the Only Ones Sacrificing and Living in the Bubble need to be seen!!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson

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Andy Warhol said, (4.00 / 2)
"There is no bad publicity."

Anything that keeps the wars on the public's radar. even a not so hot movie, is a good thing. Even if the movie isn't 100% accurate, at least now the public will know what stop-loss means, and, you never know, some civilians might decide to give a damn.


Great Critique (0.00 / 0)
You really should send this off to some of the publications giving reviews, one of the best I've seen so far!

One thing everyone needs to think of though when viewing a 'Movie', it isn't just a Hollywood clic to give storylines a similar look or use simplistic idea's. It's a movie covering much more than the timeline it's shown in and needs to be put together in a way to hold the interest for an hour or so, so alot needs to be used to cover a storyline that make up days not a tiny timeframe.

The movies, and some drama's, that have come out about these conflicts, you folks are living with, should be praised, broken down, but praised, they give much more of the reality, especially the docs.

Want comparison, go back and watch the movies and drama's, which took way to long to produce, not coming out till years later, about us 'Nam Vets and Vietnam. With what you're all living with you may find it easier to enter those in the imagination of you being there. One thing you'll Notice is What Was Left Out of the Story Lines and the Way 'Nam Vets Were Portrayed!!

One that Really gave a Message, most never got, was 'Apocalyps Now', the only one I know of showing what the Navy was actually doing in 'Nam, but that wasn't the point, The Messages, for those who've seen it before, might be Much More Clearer to you Now if seen again, and was one of the few that Actually Showed Reality!

I'm going to send your post off, it deserve the viewing it should get.

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson


Two From Way Back When (4.00 / 1)
That gave a Window into reality were "Coming Home" and 'The Deer Hunter"

But once again, most didn't get the messages because most don't scarifice and serve, nor frankly want to know!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson


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Damn (0.00 / 0)
How could I have forgotten one Extremely Great Movie, from than, that had Many Important Messages about war and what it does, "Born on the Forth of July" which should have come out During not in 1989!

'Hearts and Minds, "The ultimate victory will depend on the hearts and minds of the people who actually live there." -- President Lyndon Johnson

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stop loss... (4.00 / 1)
i saw this movie yesterday with my two friends. my one friend said, "if i have to pay 10 bucks to see this ryan phillippe better be running around naked." i went into this movie completely annoyed at the fact mtv was "presenting" it. who watches mtv? pretty much everyone of enlisting age. complete bullshit. the movie jumped from one extreme to the other...firefights, failed relationships, the stop-loss...the majority of the time all the characters were drunk and fighting (made everyone in the military look real great).i thought it was going to be worse...it wasn't horrible. i cried...my friends cried...my friend was pissed she didn't see ryans penis. i wrote more on my blog...
myamericaniraqlife.blogspot.com

I'm glad someone else caught on (0.00 / 0)
To the fact everyone was a violent, confused redneck gun nut. It simply furthers the stereotype. I wish I could say not everyone who joins the Army is from Texas, but I'm from uh, Dallas.

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Me too. (0.00 / 0)
And my name is Brandon, just like the main character.  And I have a gun.  And I'm often confused.  But I'm not violent.

Not sure what all this means.


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Well, the rumor is... (0.00 / 0)
... you ghost-wrote the screenplay.  

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Damn! (0.00 / 0)
Why does Hollywood crank out such cheesy movies about the military these days.  This sounds about as good as the movie coming out where Jessica Simpson is in the Army or whatever.  I want more Platoon type movies, and less Major Paynes.


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WTF? (0.00 / 0)
Major Payne is hilarious.  Or maybe it's just because I was raised in the Army by a couple of guys like that.

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